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Fire Emblem Heroes [iOS/Android] & Awakening

Discussion in 'Gaming and PC Discussion' started by Gengar, Feb 4, 2017.

  1. Big Z

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    Sigurd is incredibly mediocre, I wouldn't bother pulling red on Hero Fest. Everything else is great though.

    I'm hoping L!Ike wins though. Hector would be a close second choice. I would also find Ayra or Zelgius acceptable for more merges.
     
  2. Gengar

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    Woooow. Winners of CYL are Hector, Eph, Celica and VERONICA, lol

    I voted for the beast characters so we could get a new unit type, but Veronica is pretfy cool.

    I also got the new Ike. Not sure how I feel about him yet - as in he's obviously great, but might want to pass Res Breath to a dragon, lol...
     
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    Ugh. I hate Myrrh with Pass. Annoying fuck will jump through Tharja/BK and wreck my shit.
     
  4. Big Z

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    You actually see Myrrh? Lol, I saw her once in my arena matches. Made my Marth useless except as a buff bot, since I brought him specifically to hard counter her.

    On the bright side, made arena matches so much easier. Much lower score though with a low merge bonus this week, only managed to scrap a 5120, though I didn't really fish and accepted every match.
     
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    Fae is a great candidate for this as she's already a sweet res tank and most of the good mages are blue/green.

    Also, I did my hero fest pulls and got this:

    https://imgur.com/A415dXJ

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    My dragons were very happy.
     
  6. Gengar

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    I feel you. My Fae already has SB though. Feels like such a waste :(

    Ike is okay for now. I'll wait until the next broken dragon comes, lol
     
  7. Big Z

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    It's fine. At +10, Steady > Warding by far. I can count on one hand the number of times I meet a mage (that isn't gunnthra) in arena within a one month time span.
     
  8. Gengar

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    Wait, did they just make Caeda better than Elincia...? Her sword is effective against cav and armoured now and it has Flashing Blade on it...

    Could be her attack is still just too low but she should be proccing Luna on every fight now...
     
  9. Big Z

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    No. Elincia is still better. Firesweep Sword is still a thing. Plus Caeda has 25 atk. That hurts.

    The real winner is Alm. He's a monster now. Brave effect with no speed penalty at 100% hp.
     
  10. Gengar

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    Yeah, thought her atk would do her in, but she's still great as a FE unit.

    Yeah, Alm is a monster now. If I had him I'd def Dew him. Gonna refine Felicia instead. Not having atk/res bond makes me sad, but fury/windsweep should still do work.

    It's getting stupid how scarce dew is compared to how many units that need it. I genuinely have more units needing dew than regular. I'm gonna have to refine a second weapon on units to get more... Shit's dumb.

    Pulled a +atk-res hunky Hector btw. Didn't get Lyn, but I think i'll keep trying throughout the banner.

    Btw the rhythm minigame is really fun...

    Until they introduced flying units. Fucking stupid. It's just a memory game now because there's no way I can judge their flight and keep an eye on the field at the same time with the speed everything's moving at on hard/expert...
     
  11. Big Z

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    Agreed on the dew. It sucks.

    They kinda really overshot on the refine for Alm though, imo. He went from a mediocre to bad sword lord into the 4th best sword in the game. That's a ridiculous shift and makes me wonder what kind of refine the better units are getting.
     
  12. Gengar

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    Got Felicia's plate refined which I'm happy with. Been weirdly jealous of those with a good one for ages.

    Honestly, regarding Alm? With the way they're going, he'll be powercreeped in 6 months anyway.
     
  13. Gengar

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    Pray to god they don't release a Wrath or Vantage seal...

    This new Hector? His weapon stacks with Wrath... If you don't one-shot him or have a sweep weapon, he's literally unkillable. He'll always attack first with vantage (actually, that seal that basically cancels vantage and any other order changing effects that can counter this too), his weapon reduces charge by 2 below 75% and second wrath by another 1.

    I haven't pulled up a a matchup calculator, but is there a hero in the game that can survive Hector counters boosted by bonfire and 20 true damage...?
     
  14. Gengar

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    Lol, found one.

    He's... Not great on Arena Defence teams lol...

    And Luna? o_O Surely you'd go Glimmer? Isn't that the rule of thumb? If you have over a bazillion attack you go +atk over - def?[​IMG]
     
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    Yes. High defense reds will. Zelgius, Draug, Arden, etc etc.

    Bonfire isn't that great on him anyway. Glimmer is better. It means he can always proc Glimmer on a counter attack, usually wrath boosted, and have glimmer up on player phase every turn once Wrath procs.

    If he drops Wary for Wrath, it becomes incredibly easy to deal with him, just let him initiate into you. He does normal damage, you counter, you double and kill him. Easy.

    QP Vector presents slightly more problems but even with Glimmer, he only does 17 damage to a high defense red. Eat it, kill him, move on. If he runs Wary, kill him on player phase after that sequence.

    Frankly, I think Zelgius or Ayra is still far more annoying to deal with. Wrath boosted Ayra has her Regnal deal 33 damage on the counter to a high defense blue like Effie. Steady Wrath QP Zelgius has Black Luna do 47 damage to Effie.
     
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    Only Bonfire if you've got double Wrath. Double wrath + killer effect for 3 charge specs.

    I don't think tanky reds are tanky enough to survive 20 true damage from double Wrath ontop of regular attack +bonfire... (glimmer if you're only running one Wrath sure).

    Letting him initiate on you works against armour emblem, but I see this Hector in a mixed team. Maybe with Siegbert, Hinoka and another threat. Make letting them initiate on you dangerous.

    He's no Tharja though. He can be orko'd. It's a bit harder for Ayra if you sac some damage and do WF with the hypothetical vantage seal and glimmer.
     
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    They are, I ran the calcs. It gets really close but they do survive at full hp. Double Wrath with Bonfire only does 45 damage to Zelgius. That leaves him with 1 hp. Those with higher defense, like Arden and Draug, can survive with more hp left over.

    In mixed teams, he's even less of a threat. Take out the flier that typically has guidance then isolate him. After that, let him initiate onto your bulky red. WF means you can't orko unless you run axebreaker but it drops his hp enough where you can kill him right after.

    For reference, if you have a tanky red (like Zelgius), Hector only does 5 damage. Glimmer proc only does 7. With Wrath, only 17.
     
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    Goddamnt. Pity broke me with the new Lilina who has absolute shit stats. Moderately high attack, but abysmal res, def, and speed. Blegh. I want dat Hector.
     
  19. Gengar

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    What's the outcome if you run Luna as his 3 cost special with the hypothetical double Wrath vantage?

    Or Moonbow with wrath/vantage?

    And ugh, I'm getting SO many nonfocus pity breakers... Two Nowis, Siegbert, Lyn and Sheena in the past few weeks...
     
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    +atk Hector with double wrath would KO Zelgius with Luna (barely) but fail to make the kill against tankier reds. If Zelgius gets a buff or has a seal that helps with defense or hp, Zelgius would survive and counterkill.

    Moonbow would do 27 damage vs. 17 damage from Glimmer but still fail to kill. It's not really worth running because the extra damage doesn't secure kills against reds and Glimmer is better against Greens and Blues most of the time.

    Keep in mind, these calcs are all done at +0. The more merges you get, the more it favors defense, since they get stat boost to both hp and the relevant defensive stat compared to only the single attack boost. That means at +10, Zelgius would survive double wrath Luna vs. +10 Hector
     
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