So what's the deal with AP Tryndamere. It seemed good when I played a DLP game, and now it apparently is taking off with GD. What're the pro/cons?

Played top I assume: good heal off Q, E still scales, good trades with W vs most bruisers. AP/AS is better supported than AD/AS (on single items). Supposedly the point is to A: murder everything or if that doesn't work B:splitpush for days. Anyone tried this in solo queue?

 

Sprouted from one guy getting linked on reddit fairly recently who has played nothing but AP Tyrndamere & is something like Diamond III.

It's always been a fairly rare lane to see, though it stomps people for whatever reason, mostly because of the damage from his spin and (I think) his heal. Not sure how it works but someone streams it on justin.tv, believe it's the guy from reddit.

 

Pfft. All the cool kids play AP Jax.

 

I've just started playing LoL around a month ago and I'm a few levels from 30, but I can say I have experienced a few of those things and when stuck with the support role, I'll admit that if my adc is shit I'll just take the cs and move towards AP items or w/e to fill the role he's not. Obviously I'm still just a n00b learning the ropes, but some of the people in normals are just plain awful - and I haven't been playing more than a month and I know not to do some of the shit these people try and pull.

 

This and bandwagon sheeple.

Think AP Yi, except it's not reliant on kill/reset, has decent physical and auto damage, and faster/lower CD heals.

 

The best thing about AP Tryndamere is how the few people who played it were saying it was worthless after the rework he got a while back.

 

TBH, some of the main reasons he's gaining AP popularity is because of bandwagon seeing a stream with Diamond Trynd and because AP Yi got his heals nerfed.

I mean, Yi got his heal gutted and is still weak to CC. At least Trynd can still tank for that same duration and get similar, shorter CD heals.

 

Mmm. It'll be interesting to see how Riot react, seeing as Tryndamere now is like a better version of the Master Yi build they just nerfed.

 

It's hardly "better" nor even remotely similar. They are played incompletely different manners, and Tryndamere's heal is no where on par with Master Yi's (because of the MR/Armor). While AP Tryndamere's heal is great for laning, it's only purpose is really one or two burst heals during teamfights. A squishy champion that has to spin in the middle to do damage just won't have that much opportunity to keep healing. Nonetheless, AP tryn is really fun to play, and if you get a couple crits, those spins add up.

 

I just did ap tryn, and with around 600-700 ap your heal does over 1k. If you have your ulti you can do great damage specially since his ad from his q and crits from his passive still makes his autos somewhat painful.

 

See also: AP Gangplank. A strong self heal with added Cleanse. The same synergy with Lichbane, but applied at range with Parrrley. Cannon Barrage deals crazy damage in team fights (up to 4125 + 5.0*AP at level 3), though it's also completely random and might end up doing nothing.

 

You mean will end up doing nothing. Gangplank's ulti is the most inconsistent spell in the game. Half the time you can walk from one side to the other without ever getting hit by more than 1 cannonball.

 

AP Trynd isn't squishy, the way I've experimented on him.

Seeker's + Tabis gives great bulk early vs bruisers. Nashor's for more CDR on his W and Q, giving him better survivability vs ADs. SV for more HP, magic res, insane heals, and CDR.

Finally grab pure damage in either DCap or Lich Bane.

 

No, Ap Tryndamere is pretty squishy once teamfight hits around (laning isn't where the squishness becomes apparent, obviously). But, that's why his ulti exists.

 

Dat nerf. Going from a 1.5 AP ratio to like .3 plus .01 times rage. For when riot absolutely does not want you to play the game that way.

Urgot tips? For some reason even if I land the lock on if I use my Q (cursor aimed at the person) about half the time it just shoots it randomly.

Levelling R Q W E after 1 point in each. How viable is he as a top? Keep in mind I okay Mordekaiser so you can't just say "No Escape" and expect that to be a legitimate element to why not. I feel like Urgot benefits from a sustain heavy start (9 hp, two wards or 4 mana pots. Or perhaps bottle plus something...?) But I run lifesteal quints over AD normally.

 

It's a pretty clever change really. Still a 1.3 ratio with a full rage bar, but he can't just sit in brush and mash Q for infinite health anymore.

I've seen Urgot top work before. I imagine he's really mana hungry though.

 

He can definitely be mana-hungry, but once you get your Tear, you don't have too many issues. Not to mention, it's easy to farm since you use Q so much. Urgot's build is vastly different than most ADCs.

Other than that, as long as you keep good distance and poke enough, Urgot can work top.

 

His role would be better filled by Nida/Jayce/Elise.

Plus 0 escapes. Sure, it probably doesn't bother you where you're at. But if you want to improve, it should. Especially with top lane, which punishes overextending much more than mid.

Urgot (kind of) works bot and mid where his damage can punish squishy ADCs and AP casters. Putting him top vs a tank might be a slight annoyance early, but I assume he would quickly fall off. It's the same thing as playing yorick top (need I remind anyone how useless that is?) where you may have an advantage in the lane, but there is a good chance that your opponent will bring a lot more to a teamfight.

I think it's a lot stronger than Yorick top (because what isn't?), but it's an odd role to fill. It's kind of poke, kind of anti-ADC, kind of bruiser, kind of ADC. You can pick a few heaping handfuls of champs that fill these roles better, but not one that is the weird amalgamation that is urgot.

I do feel that Jayce/Nida/Elise can fill pretty similar roles much better and it will be a rare time where Urgot's talents fit your team better than one of these.

 

The new meta is Urgot mid. So says Froggen.

 

Fuck Froggen. I am so tired of his overhyped ass. Him and Dyrus.