The real problem with Shaco is that he does the top lane's job (killing the marksman in fights) without really having the option to build tanky and act as the jungler's role (tanky initiation) and falls off pretty hard. He works well in disengage or split comps or win by 20 comps. But otherwise I think Shaco has to be more skilled than his opponents by a fair margin to win.

 

You really only need 2 items or so to instagib a squishy, the rest is all positioning and timing. As for streamers, Perfects/Fred Frost is a Diamond Shaco/Fiddlesticks only on EU. He's informative the music in his stream is pretty awesome.

Here's him securing the game in 8 minutes with Shaco back on patch 3.8, though really he snowballs right after the first kill.

 

And you plan to initiate as tank Shaco by...? Deceive -> Box? Every successful Shaco i've seen builds full damage and just evaporates the ADC then tries to escape to do it again.

 

Uh... okay?

I was asking as a legitimate interest of mine and not to be sarcastic or rude. If someone you respect says something is viable, to me it seems natural to try and figure out how it is done. Maybe the tone of my message wasnt what I intended but I don't play Shaco so I dont know and have not seen a tanky Shaco build work. What kind of items do you build and how do you fit your skillset into a teamfight? I've never been able to do it myself, so I'd like to find out how the mindset and the approach works.

 

Tanky Shaco can work though I've only ever seen two as usually with Shaco you either have a stomp in the early game so your lanes snowball out of control and you win, or it all goes horribly wrong and you effectively become a split-pushing machine as you'll do nothing in fights bar evaporate.

I'd imagine you build at the bare minimum a damage item, probably a Shiv as it's what Shaco wants, plus with his mobility you should be getting plenty of procs and it allows you to split if you need to.

After that, I'd imagine it depends on your skill with the champion - Especially when it comes to using your ult to dodge skillshots and things like Karth ult. At a guess, it'd be like most tanks only you build a lot more selfishly so no Locket etc - Build to counter their biggest threat, or to just get to their ADC which as Shaco is probably your goal, given you can't peel at all. So, armor/hp - Randuins, Sunfire maybe, arguably some form of CDR to get the most out of your deceive and boxes.

I dunno, you can win a game with practically anything if you try hard enough, set your mind to it etc etc. Still, what worked for Jon might not work us - and again, 1 Shaco game. Not the foggiest what he did, just a guess.

 

Tanky Shaco works and builds like any other bruiser. Just because he doesn't have some crazy CC doesn't mean he can't initiate/ soak damage. Still, the reason why tanky Shacos aren't seen as often is because you have to start somewhat early to transition well into Mid Game. But if you start off intending to be tanky, you will lose a lot of the early game strength that Shaco has. So really, you have to be able to judge what kind of build you want/need.

 

It's like Teemo tanking. Everyone guns for your ass anyways so build bulky and make them waste time while still outputting damage.

 

I find any technique that requires the enemy to be terribad very, shall we say, unreliable.

 

The enemy being bad happens to be pretty reliable until Plat.

 

This is now my new background music.

http://www.yourepeat.com/watch?v=CyUfLHMIluw

 

World's is starting for any of those who aren't paying attention.

 

Regarding streamers, Best Riven NA has the absolute best playlist, imo. Check him out.

 

Riot. What the fuck was that?

 

People need to learn the difference between flaming and constructive criticism. Pointed out that my adc has 6 runes in total and 10/15/5 masteries so we will feed a lot unless jungler and mid set up a tent in our lane. Apparently, that's flaming. Okay.

 

It does create a negative atmosphere right off the bat though.