yes, yes I do

 

How the hell do you call a band overrated? Led Zeppelin, just like The Beatles, are known around the world and while most people won't go 'koo koo kachu' whenever they hear the word walrus or start humming out The Rain Song, they earned their fame by being the best of the best. You think people will universally remember RATM in twenty years and recall any song besides Killing in the Name? I somehow doubt it, even if they are a good band.

Led Zeppelin and similar bands like Pink Floyd didn't get the chance to use all those cool little equalizers and performance inhancers that the bands of today can. They had to go on pure skill alone. Find me a guitarist these days as good as Jimmy Page or a drummer as good as John Bonham and I'll give you every bit of money that I have. Stop spouting off bull shit, man. While you might not like them, and while others might not like them, Led Zeppelin and other classic rock bands are the JRR Tolkeins of their field and can not possibly be called overrated.

 

Neil Pert is still around and playing. The drummer for Rush if you didn't know. He is up there with Bonham anyday, just uses a totally different style.

Even with the above fact, you can not go wrong with Zeppelin of Floyd. They are classic rock.

 

I got like twenty-five cents right now. How you want it sent?

 

Drummers: First off, Neal Peart from Rush. Best drummer to ever live. The Rev from Avenged Sevenfold. Chad Smith from the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Those are three off of the top of my head, but, honestly, once again this is personal opinion. It doesn't really matter to me how technically good a drummer is if he's putting out some beats.

Guitarists: Yngwie Malmsteem. (You're just stupid if you think anyone is better than he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPtLcfkrPIE ) I think Eddie Van Halen might be a little too old for this, but he's much better as well. Andrew Stockdale from Wolfmother has some awesome riffs, especially in "Woman" and "Joker and the Thief." Angus Young, Scott Ian from Anthrax, Slash from Guns 'n Roses and Velvet Revolver, the list goes on and on.

As for the overrated-ness. Well, first off, everyone and their grandmother has heard of and claims to love Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin. It's automatically blasphemy if you don't. D) And, honestly, they aren't all that good. There are other artists with loads more talent today than any one of those two bands' members, but, because of the fact that they were the some of the very few bands that played this kind of music, Zeppelin and Floyd get all the recognition.

Anyways, I'm not gonna gain any ground on the topic of them being overrated. I realize that. It's not a very strong arguement, and it's not like I can prove it or anything. I guess it's just a personal opinion thing. Like how Ozzy has the worst voice ever recorded and ruins all of the massive potential Black Sabbath had. But that's an arguement for another time...

Edit: Bah, The-Hyphenated-One beat me to Neal Peart. Oh well.

 

I suck at Guitar Hero. Guitar Hero and me mix like a 350 pound guy playing Dance Dance Revolution, it just doesn't happen.

But I wanted to put my two cents in on the talk and ish. All I go to say about Led Zep is Immigrant Song. Most recognizable song ever made (at least the first 10 seconds). If you have never heard it go shoot yourself in the foot. Also, Moby Dick for great drum shit from Led.

I am going to be cliche and say that Jimi Hendrix is the greatest guitarist ever. Debatable yes, but no one can doubt his ability to rework a song and make it into a masterpiece (All Along the Watchtower anyone!?)

Other than him I think that Clapton, Chuck Berry, Jimmy Page, and Van Halen are among the MY top 5.

As for drummers John Bonham and Neal Peart are a tie. With Keith Moon in a close second. (I don't know a lot about drummers so no top 5).

As for RATM, I could never get into them, just something about their style that bugged me.

 

If we are talking about guitarists, how could you leave out Alex lifeson? Stevie Ray Vaughn? David Gilmour? or Randy Rhoads. (Rush, Pink Floyd, Ozzy) There are so many different guitarists with different styles that it is impossible to label one the "best". They are all the "best" in their own right

Immigrant song? How about Stairway to Heaven, Rock and Roll, or Blackdog?

If you have never heard of Stairway to Heaven, please raise your hand.

 

*raises hand* I don't consider it there best song however , I find "Kashmir" to be there magnum opus followed by "Black Dog" and "What is and what should never be" but like Mr. F said it's all a matter of opinion.

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I honestly don't think that such a thing is possible, Lord Hyphen. Not knowing Stairway, pft. People are missing out, though, if they think that those three songs are all Led Zeppelin is. Those songs aren't even the ones I would recommend to someone else if they asked me for good Zeppelin songs. I'd more go with Gallows Poll, Achilles Last Stand, and Going to California as my top three. Sad thing is, I don't think half of these so called Zeppelin fans would recognize them if they heard them.

I'd have to say that the only people I can agree with in comparison to Page are Clapton, Eddie, and maybe Hendrix. That's not even because I don't think the others could be as good, I just don't know enough about them as I've practically given up on anything after '80 .... well, besides Chris Cornell, Pearl Jam, RHCP, and STP. Anyways, the styles between now and back then are so different I wouldn't be able to compare them if I did know who the hell you were talking about. I hate getting into discussions about music, you just can't argue with people's tastes.

 

I named those three as what I beleive to be the most recognizable songs by Zeppelin, not my favorite. Way over-played.

My top 5 would consist of

-When the Levee Breaks
-Kashmir
-The Battle of Evermore
-In the Evening
-Dazed and Confused.

Anyone else ever seen Laser Floyd?

 

Stairway to Heaven is a great song and all, but sometimes I fall asleep halfway through it. I pointed out Immigrant Song because that opening wail of Robert Plant is probably one of the most recognizable sounds in all of musicdom(plus it is a cool song). It's been in everything from movies to TV commercials. Out of all Zeppelin songs, I like In My Time of Dying and Trampled Underfoot the best.

IMO, best guitar solo in music is Eruption by Van Halen. Whole damn songs instrumental. And Sweet Home Alabama has a bad ass solo, long as hell too.

PS- Gimme Shelter by Rolling Stones is a great song too. Keith Richards on guitar...good shit.

 

Eddie's Eruption solo always seemed too damned repetative for me. Don't know why, but after a while I get the same problem you have with Stairway to Heaven. I start to fall asleep. Immigrant song ... damn I wish they could put that on Guitar Hero just for me to see how badly they mess up the vocals, but it's too short.

 

Comfortably Numb by Pink Floyd has my favorite guitar solo of all-time, hands down.

 

Who thought the vocals for Sweet Child O' Mine were terrible in GH2? I sure as hell did, and cringed about ten times during the song. Somehow, I doubt they'll make Welcome to the Jungle much better. Crap.

 

Haven't heard Sweet Child O' Mine on the game. I wonder how a song like In Da Gadda Da Vida would sound on Guitar Hero, lyric wise.

On another note, they should make another version of Guitar Hero. It would be the ultimate victory for all players of this special intrument; KEYTAR HERO!! Heh, the Keytar is the most whacked out instrument ever made. One of my friends learned to play it years ago...he is still getting ripped by all of our friends for learning it.

 

I disagree. While Pink Floyd drones on and on about nothing exciting, it seems to me that one of Rage Against the Machine's most popular, and best, songs is "Killing in the Name".

Let's take a look at the lyrics, shall we?

Not at all repetitive.

How many people do you know that, after saying how much they love Rage, can name the names of more than 10 of their songs? And to say that you prefer fast beats and an active bass to the vast majority of the works of Led Zeppelin is to say that you prefer watching porn rather than seeing naked people fuck.

Personally I do enjoy looking at the History of Rock and Roll; I've been known to delve deep into Robert Johnson to find the root of the blues. While I prefer Eric Clapton to Robert Johnson, I would never say "Robert Johnson is over-rated". He didn't have a type of music like his to rip off and change, so he, and American blues players like him, created a new one.

You don't have to like Led Zeppelin. You don't have to like Pink Floyd. Rage Against the Machine can be your favorite band. But you must recognize that you are an imbecile for even suggesting that Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd are over-rated.

Motherfucker!
Uggh!

As for the best of Led, it is difficult to name a top 5 because it's equally difficult to name one song that sucks. There's not one. In 10 albums, I have never found a Led Zeppelin song that I did enjoy (of course some were better than others) enough to listen to it more than once. And I am constantly finding small imperfections in Rock and Roll.

Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton, BB King and Jimmy Page are my top 5 guitarists. There are, of course, many more, but personally I enjoy their music the best. It would be a close race between Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Eric Clapton for greatest ever if the first two had of survived to this day; however, Jimi and Stevie both died far too young, and Clapton has been playing music for something close to 50 years. The sheer amount of work he has done, and is still doing, eclipses anything any other guitarist will ever be able to match.

Great rhythm guitarist, blistering solos and he is one of the best song writers alive. Also capable of arranging a sound that could fuck your earlobes.

Motherfucker!

 

Same old tired shit all over again, really. ZOMG! LED ZEP SUCKS CUZ ITS POPULAR! [where LED ZEP = BAND OF ANY POPULARITY] Who cares who likes what and who can name how many of their songs.

I AM a fan of Rage Against the Machine, so this isnt really biased in the least. I find more RAGE songs I cant stand then I do with Zep. Of the entire collection, Evil Empire is the only CD I physically own.

Pink Floyd and Zep are infinitely talented, more so than 95% of the current world of music. Everything now is hidden behind fancy effects or mumbled/screamed lyrics.

Top 5 guitarists in the world? Id say Plant, Page, Hendrix, Duane Allman, and Morello.

It isnt until #11 that anyone "new" comes along. And still RHCP rates BELOW Page. Regardless of Frusciante's skill, Page will always be better.

 

What's with all the profanity? There are children on this board!

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Led Zeppelin has fast beats and an active bass in the majority of their songs? I rofl.

There's a big difference between droning on and on and being repetitive. I enjoy listening to Zack De la Rocha repeat himself, not because of the words, but because of the background music, the energy with which he raps/sings, the way that you can practically feel his passion for his music rolling throughout the crowd when RatM plays. (Yes, they are amazing live.) Killing in the Name may be their most popular song, but it is by no means their best, or my favorite.

The thing is, I don't know many people who say they love Rage. RatM isn't a main-stream band like Zeppelin and Floyd are, and they haven't been around since the 60s. Not many of their works are on the radio because of the swearing and the rap/rock style, so they don't get much airtime. Contrast that to Zeppelin and Floyd, whose songs are all over the radio and pop culture. Everyone has heard of them.

Hmm. Nope. Only 1/4 right. RatM is not my favorite band. I enjoy listening to some of Led Zeppelin's works. I'm not an imbecile because I suggested that two bands that are wildly popular are overrated because I can't understand why people would want to listen to them. But, yes, I dislike Pink Floyd. (Except for "Money." That's a good song.)

O rly? Zeppelin has no bad songs, yet there aren't any that you enjoy enough to listen to more than once? I find myself confused... But on the Top 5 thing, yeah, not too hard. Songs that suck? Equally easy. But I'm not going to get into that.

There's no denying Clapton's genius. He's a great songwriter and rhythm guitarist, but blistering solos? When I think facemelters, I think Eddie Van Halen, Angus Young, Yngwie Malmsteem, and Slash. Not Eric Clapton. He's great and all, but songs like Sunshine of Your Love and Layla have great riffs, but they definitely aren't blistering.

There's no need for this. I honestly don't understand why you decided to add it. It just makes you come off as an ass.

Basically, this entire arguement comes down to me thinking that a pair of bands that you obviously hold in the highest regard aren't near as good as advertised. There'll be no changing your mind, and I don't really want to. Your likes and dislikes in music are personal opinions, and nothing I say or do will convince you otherwise. The same goes for me and my beliefs. There is no right or wrong here. It's just a difference of opinions.

I'll agree to disagree.

P.S.

It saddens me that such a subtle flame-bait wasn't picked up on. ;_; Oh well.

Edit for Vash: Just because the Rolling Stones Magazine thinks that so and so is better than whoever doesn't mean shit. You'll notice that Yngwie isn't even on there. Neither is Dimebag Darrel from Pantera. Both could slaughter nearly everyone on that list. And what is Santana doing at 15? He's much better than nearly everyone as well.

>_< That's not at all the point I was trying to make. Like I said before, I do enjoy some of Zeppelin. Pink Floyd is the band that I really have a problem with. I think Zeppelin's overrated because everyone claims to like them, even though they really aren't fun to listen to.

But, I'm not going to say anything more on the topic of Zeppelin or Floyd being overrated. I've realized that it's a losing battle, and just a conflict of opinions. No one's is going to change, no matter what I or you say.

 

On the note of Pink Floyd. I love listening to Floyd, but sometimes I can find their music to be kinda boring. A friend of my brother once told me "If you truly want to enjoy the greatness that is Pink Floyd you must be trippin' on Acid to really be into it."

*Crowd gasps* BLASPHEMY!! Ozzy has one of the most recognizable voices in music, sure he may sound like his balls are being viciously bitten by a rabid chipmunk, but his voice just seems to flow well with the music Sabbath made.

 

Just thought I'd say that the achievements have been posted. If anyone is interested you can find them here.