I wish to set a point of discussion. Not that I am criticising the enthusiasm for newly appearing stories, but I recently had a revelation, a desire to set something in stone.

What is your preconception of Fleur's character, her social status, her relation with her family? Since JKR has left such a blank slate of one of the two canon proven worthy ladies (the other being Narcissa Malfoy), we can create our own.

I prefer Fleur Delacour to be arrogant, filled with vanity, narcissism and pride. I believe her family to be highly placed in the political and economical structure of France and generally in good relations with their daughters. From her character we can deduce she is moderately wealthy, which fits my profile.

Now, for magical talent. She is presumable the most talented of the Beauxbatons delegation, which does not make her the supreme goddess of magic, however. We know her performance in the Triwizard tournament was less than exemplary, but that fits the trend of useless young wizards. I think she is of above average aptitude in magic, without making her a fighter. Somehow, serving in the Auror corps, under muck and dirt, does not seem to sit well with her aristocratic leanings.

I prefer Harry to be doing the fighting anyway, and I am not much of a fan of Tomboyish girls, with fearsome Bat-bogey Hexes and fiery temperaments.

Ideas? Preferences? Express them below.

 

I agree more or less. Most of those aspects are set in stone but every now and again we see a strange Fleur variant that doesn't fit in with our ideas about her.

The only thing I'm a bit leery about is the whole Vanity/arrogance thing. Canon Harry hates arrogance. When I picture Fleur I think of her as a caring type of person, filled with pride and quite loyal. The arrogance bit works well but overdo it and we see Malfoy!Fleur. Underdo it and we have Emo!Fleur.

It's a hard thing to get right.

 

Arrogance is only useless when it is not backed by talent and justification. In the case of Draco, it is so. Canon Harry hates arrogance, but perhaps he can be made by Fleur to feel a bit more pride and stand up for himself instead of bending over to Dumbledore and wishing he could share his vault with the Weasleys.

Fleur is the farthest away from an Emo that I can think of. The inclusion of her in that genre would spur me to create a one shot filled with death, hatred and destruction against the Weasleys.

As always, a fine line must be chosen.

 

I gotta disagree Methene, if for no other reason than that she's a Veela. She's more than capable of being a tomboy, because she probably makes absolutely anything she does a wet dream. And as for the fiery temper/fighter aspect, well...Veelas are more than capable of violence. In that respect I kinda think of her temperament as similiar to Hagrid: human instincts controlling their other half, but pretty much ready to take advantage of their magical creature heritage whenever its necessary.

She's probably wealthy because of her father's heritage, but culture or sophistication isn't an indicator of wealth-look at Tom Riddle. That, and Delacour just sounds like an "old money" surname. Otherwise there's no reason to think that Veela are somehow above the ministry's determination of creature status. There's no other instance of Veela appearing on regular society, except during the world cup - as mascots. This is probably is the cause for both her arrogance and fiery nature: she's probably the target of near-constant criticsm, or viewed as good for one purpose...

 

This is based on one point that is just as disputable. What is the position and nature of Veelas in Wizarding society. I don't put them on par with creatures, for reasons I will underline below.

I tend to put Veelas on another step than goblins and centaurs. I see the Wizarding world still patriarchal and in favour of Veelas as somewhat accepted mistresses. Think Diane de Poitiers during the time of Caterina de Medici. The way I see it, old Count Delacour had an infertile wife, and a half-Veela mistress. Due to the pressing need for an heir, the children he had from her were legitimized.

Of course it all depends on the nature of Veelas within the Wizarding world, though, so the point can be argued back and forth.

 

I've read fics where she is constantly crying about being classified as a creature and people only liking her for her powers and such shit. That's the type of stuff that put me off this pairing, although recently with the amount of good H/Fleur fics emerging I've begun to take it up again.

 

Most likely Veela's are given the same right's as wizards and witches. The key diffrence however is that they would be looked down upon almost as much as muggleborn's. There is also the blatant stereo typing people do when they meet someone different, to them I can't see them thinking of veela's as a sex symbol and will never admit on is more than that. Basically, they would get the dumb blond stereo type in the Potter verse.

Are they above goblin's, giants and werewolves? Yes. But I can't see them being treated as human's.

@Seratin: Emo!Fleur? I don't ever see that happening.
@Methene: From a previous post I don't think you like Malfoy much, so I have to ask is of Black's and Malfoy's Harry centric or will it be so later in another book?

 

Are we discussing the Veela's role in the Wizarding World, or Fleur now? You're all, I think, putting too much emphasis on her genes. Yes, she's a quarter Veela (not sure how that works, by the way, unless there are Male Veela, which I have never heard of in the Universe), but she's also an incredibly hot teenage girl.

My experiences alone tell me that her behavior is a result of the envy she receives from the girls around her, and the attention she gets from the boys. It's not because she's not completely human, in fact, aside from hurling fireballs at people's faces, I usually despise it when author's dehumanize her by adding 'Veela' rituals and give them unnatural sex drives. I also don't mind them having avian forms, but I chose to to give Fleur that in my story.

As for Fleur's power, I wholly consider her to be at Krum's and Cedric's level in terms of skill, with a more strict outlook on finesse rather than power.

The beauty about this is, we know nothing about her really, which is why we can do what we like. However, her attitude towards Bill in canon, and how she put up with Molly and Ginny fucking Weasley for him, makes her the perfect girlfriend / wife, in my opinion. Anyone willing to put up with that shit is a goddess.

'Ergh, Phlegm is a whore because she's beautiful and condescending of the shit hole we live in' - What i gathered Molly, Ginny and Hermione wanted to say about Fleur as she was living at the Burrow.
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I despise Draco Malfoy for being an ignorant shit, with nothing to back his arrogance and being a shame to the Ancient and Noble House of Malfoy. I like Lucius and Narcissa, however. This of course will be reflected in my story, although I am not saying how.

Of Blacks and Malfoys is divided into three books. Books 1 and 2 are not Harry centric, used instead to set the stage for what I want to do with Harry's character. He will make an appearance in Book 2, but it will be a minor role, since I am not fond of child!Harry. Book 3 deals exclusively with Harry and what he will do in the world I am building for him.

Sadly, I am in the middle of the exam period, which is why both my stories have been delayed for the moment.

 

To address a question a few posts back, I envisioned veela in my story as sort of the ultimate in "trophy wives." They maintain via a matrilineal line and aggressive pre-nuptial negotiation, influence and power to be shared among their veela daughters, who are themselves married off to the rich and powerful. While the Rosicrucians play a large role as a secret society, the veela also have their own "society" of sorts.

While in some sense, veela daughters like Fleur and Gabrielle are chattel, they do have genuine power, political and monetary, backing them up. Sandrine Delacour is the head of that line (following the passing of Fleur's grandmother, Angelique). Of course, only those sufficiently strong in the bloodline to manifest veela magic are deemed worthy of special consideration and betrothal into wizarding gentry. (The rest are, essentially, muggleborn-caste who are lucky to be able to turn a trick in a corner brothel).

Harry, of course, has no clue that this is what underlies veela society....

 

Indeed: it really all boils down to how they interact with society, yet I'm still inclined to think that Fleur and her sister are the exception, not the rule. Wizards are portrayed (at least in canon) as intolerant or blissfully ignorant of other magical creatures' societies. Every pureblood is shocked at the idea of a free house elf that actually wants to be free (I'll bet no one except Harry or Hermione would've thought to ask Dobby to teleport them out of Malfoy Manor); centaur Divination is thought of little more than a joke (to be fair, so is the class, but at least there IS a class, not to mention a hall of prophecies), and the liaison office is a joke position, but I believe that's due more to a lack of effort on the Ministry's part; there are potions that can restore blood in a snap, yet Vampires are still a threat (No blood banks?); wizards automatically assume that most werewolves would join with someone like Voldemort, and yet, failing to appeal to the contradiction of half-bloods within a pro-pureblood terrorist group, still oppress them.

So, when presented with humanoids of unnatural beauty who can enthrall most men to get whatever they want, you tell me how Joe Wizard will respond. Attraction or not, most wizards would find the idea of being controlled in such a manner (see Imperius Curse) absolutely terrifying, and would take measures to regulate such actions.

When I picture Veela society, I think of them as similar to the way Gypsies were portrayed in Disney's 'Hunchback of Notre Dame' (pre-emptive stfu for all you haters; Quasimodo is the shit): a secret society within wizarding society, who still give the appearance of blessing the wizarding population with their presence, even though they're technically the oppressed group. In the movie, which aligns with my theory of Fleur's temperament, they generally behave as peaceably as acceptable Frenchmen do - yet when people invaded the Gypsy 'secret lair', there's still that hint of violence that can be attributed to their heritage.

(The fact that Fleur is French, and the Disney movie takes place in France, is just gravy.)

 

I don't know about you guys, but Fleur and Gabby in my story will just be considered 'regular' girls with some extra hereditary abilities - the ability to control and manipulate fire wandlessley (which increases in power when angered). I considered giving them an 'avian' form too, but thought against it.

Here's what my problem is with Veela. In my opinion, they're either all 'pure-blooded' or '100 percent' Veela, or there's Male Veela. There really can't be an inbetween unless they can reproduce asexually, or, you make up some condition in which part veelas come into existence. Otherwise, the way I see it, if there are no male Veela, the 'blood' would become so diluted that after a few centuries, you could hardly consider yourself one (which I think is obviously not the case).

Then there's the possibility that all female children are born pure-blooded Veela, but we know JK didn't intend for this because she made Fleur a part-veela (according to the lexicon).

So, my question is, without there being male Veela, how is there such a thing as a part Veela? Eventually, all Veela would have become 'part' Veela long before Fleur's grandmother (who is considered a 'pure blooded' Veela), and thus, the genes would become extremely diluted and non-existent. In other words, extinct.

So which is it? The only way I see it is that there has to be Male Veela, or have I missed something? It could be a typo in canon that Fleur is only 'part' Veela, I guess. I'm thinking of just adding Male Veela into my story and be done with it (I honestly can't remember if I said that they're an entirely female race, so that's gonna suck going back and correcting that mistake if I did . . .), it's the only option that makes sense to me. Also, it is the more believable option, I think.

Oh, did I mention how much I hate seeing all this 'mate' business when Fleur is in a story? Or how taking a Veela's virginity is supposed to mean something? meh, whatever . . .

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I've reada few stories were there were Male Veela but they didn't have the veela allure. So any children between two veela would still be pure veela.

 

You could have non-male Veela without being 100% Veela or reproducing Asexually for the same male blackwidows look absolutely nothing like female blackwidows. It might just be a function of having the gene and being female - you must have both conditions met or you're not a Veela.

Also, like the magic gene, which does not seem to weaken, no matter how many generations of muggles might be in the line, either you're magical or you're not, and being magical appears to be dependent on a gene (or set of genes) according to JKR.

However, you could treat it more like D&D treats half-elves; that is, they basically give them more or less human characteristics, but give them a few of the perks of having elven-blood.

It might be that pure Veela have certain racial characteristics not shared by their mut descendents (bird form). Whatever.

 

What are the pwnsome powers of a bona-fide Veela, though? Is what we see in Canon all, an Animage form and bringing sexy back?

From what we see of weak Love Potions -- although, Ron did have a dozen doses -- they can inspire a stronger reaction then accidentally getting smacked by Fleur on full blast, but a small group of full Veela singing their hearts out made 10,000 men swoon at a distance. Plugging their ears seemed to help, so it wasn't what Fleur did to Diggory/Weasley. Is Siren-thing another power?

PS
Disgusting thought, can Veela 'tempt' other species?

EDIT:

This has already been discussed, hasn't it? I didn't read the 29 pages, I admit.

 

I agree with Mr.Joe. There have to be male Veela. I just think that there are not many of them.

That is also the reason why the female Veela developed an aura. It ensures that they don't become extinct.

 

I maintain that the Veela gene is just a highly dominate Gene. There are no male Veela, just male offspring of Veela, Men who Carry this superGene that has a 90% possibility of making their daughters Veela, but does absolutely nothing to the men. when you start mixing in regular wizards the dominance diminishes due to the greater influx of other material, and the force of the gene gets mutated into inferior copies, Hence 'part-Blood' Veela girls.

 

Your theory isn't that different from mine. What you call the male offspring of a Veela, i call a male Veela. We both agree that male Veela have no aura. Maybe I didn't make this clear in my last post.

The real question that I tried to answer is, why do female Veela have an aphrodisiac-like aura? Heres my attempt at an answer.

The 90% mark that you mentioned is even higher. There are a lot of female Veela but only few male Veela (or male humans with a dormant Veela gene...)
To maintain the pure-blooded veela status, the Veela developed an aura which pretty much forces the male ones into having intercourse with them.

 

Ahh, I getcha now. I disagree though. they developed the aura (and the looks I suppose) cause it's Hella Hard to get Humans to screw a rather ugly bird.