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Harry Potter and the Doctrine of the Calvinists

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mordac, Dec 8, 2007.

  1. Mordac

    Mordac Minister of Magic DLP Supporter

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    http://ferretbrain.com/articles/article-161.html

    Harry Potter and the Doctrine of the Calvinists

    by Daniel Hemmens

    Dan Hemmens refuses to just give up on the Potter articles already.
    A lot of people are mortally offended by the ending of the Narnia series, because it seems to suggest that Susan's absolute rejection of all the teachings of Christ prevents her from getting into heaven. I actually like it for exactly that reason: it's got a firm grounding in a genuine religious philosophy which I find significantly more interesting than the usual messages one gets from children's literature, or popular fiction in general.

    This, of course, is why it seems so crazy to the secular reader. It's based on some profound assumptions about the metaphysical reality of the world, and if you don't believe the world works like that it doesn't make any sense. Many atheists (and a fair number of Christians, for that matter) have a hard time getting their heads around the idea that you can be a perfectly decent person, but still not go to heaven.

    Even more difficult for atheists like me to get our heads around are the doctrines of the Calvinists. Very roughly (from my limited understanding) the Calvinists embrace fully the idea that it is impossible for any human being to be truly worthy of God's love. God is just that great and we are just that flawed. This is actually comparatively uncontroversial - it's just a firm statement of the idea that salvation comes wholly from the Grace of God, and not from your individual virtue. The Calvinists take this idea to its logical conclusion: that since obviously not everybody can be saved, God's grace will only fall on a small proportion of the population - the Elect. Since nobody can be worthy of God, whether one is or is not part of the Elect is entirely outside of one's own control. There are just some people who are predestined towards salvation, and some who aren't.

    Now it would be easy here to score cheap points and say that this is just somebody using religion as a control mechanism, pretending that the reason he's so much better off than everybody else is because God likes him better. But that's actually not massively plausible. After all, when Calivinist doctrine was first developed, the Calvinists weren't exactly ruling the roost.

    Calvinism is actually a fairly logical extension of one of the more difficult points of protestant doctrine: the idea of salvation by grace. People seem to be uncomfortable with the idea that drawing closer to a supernatural being who transcends all of the concerns of physical reality might actually not be the same thing as being nice to people. Perhaps it's just overexposure to classical mythology at an impressionable age, but I don't find it that hard to understand. I somehow can't imagine a classical theologian saying "but why would the Gods be so angry about Prometheus stealing fire? Why do we worship them if they're so mean?" or a Viking saying "I'm sure that Odin will understand that you wanted to die valiantly in battle."

    I think that perhaps the reason people find the ideas expressed in - say - Calvinist theology, or The Last Battle is that, since we live in a secular society, we naturally divorce these kinds of ideas from their supernatural context. For example: burning at the stake was actually supposed to be a merciful form of execution, because it allowed the accused the maximum possible amount of time to repent. If you genuinely believe in an immortal soul, this is actually very sensible. Far better to burn somebody to death slowly, giving them a chance to go to heaven, than to cut their head off and condemn them to hell. To somebody who doesn't believe in an afterlife, though, it's needless cruelty.

    When you decontextualise the doctrines or practices of a religion, you invariably make them into something extremely sinister and disturbing.

    Which is why Harry Potter freaks me out so much.

    JK Rowling self-defines as a Christian. More specifically, she was apparently raised Church of Scotland which, the internet reliably informs me, has strong Calvinist influences. If this is true, then it seems that Rowling has allowed her faith to strongly influence her work. Unfortunately she has also allowed it to become so decontextualised as to be unrecognisable.

    Let us take the principle of Election, the notion that there are a fortunate few who, by grace of God, shall be called to salvation. In the Potterverse "Election" is called "Sorting" and instead of being controlled by Almighty God it is controlled by a hat.

    Now I know Rowling pays lip service to the houses all being equal, but it's nonsense. Gryffindor is the superior house, all the way. Rowling herself declares not only that she would want to be in Gryffindor if she attended Hogwarts but also that she "hopes she would be found worthy."

    So basically at the age of eleven, your fate is already sealed. Either you're Gryffindor, or you're evil, or you're chattel. You can't change, you can't be redeemed (unless you've already had the good fortune to fall in love with a Gryffindor) you are either Good or you are Evil or you Just Don't Matter and none of your decisions, none of your actions, mean a damned thing. No matter how much of a bullying little shit James Potter was, we are never really asked to see him as anything but a hero. Lily treats Snape like dirt, but is still the byword for selfless love in the series. And of course Dumbledore, our epitome of goodness, is a manipulative self-serving bastard who plots world domination and raises Harry to be a sacrificial lamb. But in the end we are expected to view all of these people as heroes because they were Gryffindors and therefore virtuous by definition.

    Then of course there is Snape. After nearly twenty years of loyal service to Dumbledore, risking death or worse to spy on the Dark Lord, and incidentally building up a loyal fanbase who for some reason think that being smart is cooler than owning a flying motorcycle, JK Rowling eventually grants him the ultimate accolade. "Sometimes, we sort too soon." If a member of a different house displays courage, it shows that they must really be a Gryffindor deep down.

    Rowling clearly subscribes to the philosophy that a person has a fundamental nature. That deep down a person cannot change. Deep down Harry is a hero, Percy is officious, Voldemort is Evil, Snape is a bully, Dumbledore is good but tempted by power. None of these traits will change, none of them can change. Rowling seems to believe it impossible.

    This is most apparent, I think, in how she writes about Harry. It is never his actions. which win him praise, but rather the spirit in which he acts. This is perhaps most apparent in the seventh book, when Harry uses the Cruciatus curse on Amycus Carrow and McGonagall responds with the statement that it is "very gallant" of him.

    Now I admit I might be a little bit behind the times here, but how is torturing your enemies "gallant"? Presumably in the same way that a single minded obsession with the personal destruction of your enemies has something to do with "love".

    But my objections here are based on a false assumption: on the assumption that a person's moral character (their salvation, their redemption) is in any way affected by their actions. In Rowling's world it is not, and this is a deliberate and conscious theme throughout the books. Harry performs the same actions as other characters, but because he is by nature pure, his actions are actions of goodness, not of evil.

    Even further proof that Harry's goodness is nothing to do with his actions - or indeed even his personality - but is instead some kind of elemental property comes from this rather interesting quote, regarding the fact that Voldemort had hope of salvation:

    "Because he had taken into his body this-- this drop of hope or love (Harry's blood). So that meant that if he could have mustered the courage to repent, he would have been okay. But, of course, he wouldn't. And that's his choice."


    Now there's two interesting things here. The first is that Voldemort's hope came literally from Harry's blood. Voldemort is not a person, Harry is not a person. Harry is a vessel full of Hope and Love in distilled form. No matter how many people he tortures or brutalises, he will always have Hope and Love in his very blood. It is physical contact with Harry's blood that gave Voldemort his one chance of redemption.

    The second, subtler point is this one:

    "But, of course, he wouldn't. And that's his choice."


    Notice that she uses the words "of course" and "his choice" in the same sentence. And this is the point I find most interesting.

    If you ever try to argue that JK Rowling is a slavering determinist, people always pull out two facts. Firstly, there's the fact that Harry "chose" not to be placed in Slytherin. Secondly, there's this extremely interesting line by Dumbledore.

    "It is our choices Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."


    Now I hope it doesn't look like I'm being obsessive here, but I think it's extremely telling that Dumbledore uses the phrase "show what we truly are" and not " say "decide what we become." Dumbledore is telling us, quite clearly, that who we are never changes, that the decisions we make in our lives serve only to illuminate our natures, which are otherwise immutable.

    So Voldemort could never have been redeemed. He was given the chance to "try for some remorse" but there was never any realistic expectation that he would be able to. Indeed we are told repeatedly throughout the series that Voldemort is not capable of love. Not that he hasn't known love, that he has never experienced love, that he is literally incapable of it.

    A choice, to Rowling, is not a chance to control one's own destiny, but a chance to show your quality. The outcome of a choice is predetermined. Voldemort would never have chosen redemption, so he had no chance of redemption, no matter how much of Harry's Magic Blood he had pumping through him.

    I started this article talking about Calvinist Election, and by mentioning that "atheists like me" find it a rather disturbing concept. I think a big thing that people find uncomfortable is the idea that "the Elect" get to strut around being all superior, just because some random fluke made them God's Chosen. This is of course not how it works. The whole point of Election is that no one man is more worthy of salvation than any other, that any who are saved, are saved by the grace of God, not by their own merits. Within Calvinist philosophy being "chosen" doesn't make you better than anybody else, it just gives you one extra reason to thank God.

    Rowling's world, however, really does work the way atheists perceive Calvinist Election as working. Harry is arbitrarily singled out as being "special" or "chosen" and this literally does make him better than other people. Harry is as incorruptible as Voldemort is irredeemable. Harry's choices will always be the right ones, not because of his moral character but because the world itself will change to accommodate him. He can withstand the Imperius Curse, he can see into the mind of the Dark Lord, yet remain uncorrupted by it, he can unite the Deathly Hallows. Even when he actively seeks to bring pain and death to his enemies, it is somehow virtuous. Because Harry is Just That Awesome.

    JK Rowling has said, in interview:

    "My beliefs and my struggling with religious belief and so on I think is quite apparent in this book."


    And apparent it is. The culmination of the Harry Potter series reads like the scrabbling of a Cultural Christian, trying to construct a moral framework out of fragments of doctrine she does not entirely understand or believe. Half-formed ideas about faith and destiny and redemption and death collide producing a result that is mostly simplistic, and occasionally sacrilegious.

    The quasi-Christian overtones make some parts of the book genuinely incoherent. At times Harry's faith in Dumbledore is presented as almost akin to faith in God. He sets forth on his great journey, after all, knowing virtually nothing and Trusting That Dumbledore Would Provide. Indeed the Dumbledore-as-Divinity concept is a strong theme from the very start. It is very frequently Harry's Faith in Dumbledore that truly saves the day (most explicitly in Chamber of Secrets). The entire subplot with Dumbeldore's backstory is presented almost as Harry's last test of Faith.

    And of course if Dumbledore is God, then this naturally casts Harry in the role of Jesus: walking amongst the unbelievers, spreading His word, facing persecution and ultimately death. A sacrifice made in perfect Love to redeem the sins of the Wizarding World.

    Except that Dumbledore isn't God, he's just a guy, so having unwavering faith in him isn't laudable, it's blind fanaticism. And Harry doesn't sacrifice himself to save Hogwarts, he sacrifices himself to kill Voldemort. Hell, Rowling even admits that after book 6, if Harry looked into the Mirror of Erised he would see "Voldemort finished, dead, gone". His deepest desire is not to protect his friends, or even to live a normal life, but to kill the guy who killed his parents.

    It's a mess, and the fact that it's a mess is probably the saddest thing of all. Rowling so clearly wanted to say something big about faith, about love, and about death, but all she has managed to do is communicate her own confuson.
     
  2. Giovanni

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    The author of this article wouldn't make it as a Calvinist. He's not hardcore enough.
     
  3. Methene

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    What I truly don't understand is why people need to dig into every single material published and find a deeper meaning to it. I refuse to do such a thing, nor do I let myself be influenced by such articles.

    I loved the Harry Potter series until GoF (included) because it was a fun world. Magic, a secret society, pureblood aristocracy etc. It was something fascinating and it kept me interesting. Never once have I made an association with some deeper meaning, not because I am simple minded, but because I refuse to go that path. I read the book/watch the movie/listen to the song etc, because it brings me enjoyment. If the author had a deeper meaning, good for him, but it doesn't influence or annoy me in the slightest.

    Let me bring two other examples into the discussion: Narnia and Lord of the Rings. There are groups that would find some deeper meaning in the way trash is laid out on the street, but there is significant criticism over hidden symbolism in those two works.

    Lord of the Rings, by JR Tolkien , where the blacks and dark men are discriminated, with the white and the pure gaining the day. Whoever is offended by these sort of implications has some serious issues of self confidence. I don't care that the series is supposedly advocating white supremacy, I enjoy it. It's wonderfully constructed, has that feel of a world that I can immerse myself in.

    Narnia endures huge criticism for its supposed Christian messages embedded into the storytelling. Another non consequential issue. I did not enjoy Narnia as much, not because of the Christian symbolism, but because I thought it lacked continuity. The whole different time flows and society changing did not make me enjoy it as much as others. Nonetheless, I read all the books and I was fine with them.

    Nowadays, people see the need to be picky about anything. You can't call Native Americans Indians because it's racist. You can't call people Black you have to call them African American. You can't call a peasant a peasant, he is a farmer. A gypsy has now become of roma ethnicity (Where the fuck did that come from? They have immigrated from India, which has no connection to the Roman Empire)

    People need to stop criticizing ''subtle messages'' and Disney using Arabs for the evils and whites for the goods. Relax, enjoy the story or don't read it.

    An endnote for those who feel the need to use politically correct terms and ideologies:

    If the trend continues, in 50 years it will be offensive to call a prostitute a whore or any variation thereof. They will have become Pleasure Technicians.

    Or to quote Emperor Cartagia: ''Pain technicians! They used to be called torturers, but since they got organised into guilds they are Pain technicians.

    The world has many more issues to be concerned about then political correctness and subliminal messages.
     
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  4. Subcomandante_Taco

    Subcomandante_Taco Seventh Year

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    Methene while I generally agree with you, at the same time, I don't think there's nothing wrong with the essay or topic that Mordac posted. This is a Harry Potter message board, you know. There are supposed to be discussions about all things Harry Potter, and from what I can see, interpreting and analyzing the subliminal messages and meanings of canon is part of it.
     
  5. Amerision

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    Funny. I recall you doing exactly that in another thread...

    Aha! Here it is:

    http://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=7971
     
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  6. Methene

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    Amerision, I did not mean to criticize anyone here about trying to look into the HP world deeper. I was referring to the kind of people that consider the HP books as a secret sub-plot for JKR to turn away good honest children from the teachings of the bible.

    At the same time, I was criticising the other extreme, who complain about Narnia being filled with Christian undercurrents.

    My analysis on Blood, although flawed, came from Pureblood allegiance and the desire to discuss it, not from wanting to find some "hidden message" in the books.
     
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