Every time I see Mr Joe right a post i think there is an update!!

Well we cant ask you to leave the school work but it would be nice if you can give us a tentative date of the next update.

If people still ask you for update before that, well that would be just stupid.

 

WTF panda says WTF.

("...better my writing skills.") + ("...have as many people judge it...") - ("...posting it on ff.net...") = DLP WbA section. Or pretty much every other fanfiction/creative writing archive on the 'net. But fine, I'll bite: you were forced to post on ff.net and weather the tide of nagging readers looking for updates. It sucks, I get that. Waaaah. But you're still looking for an audience. Does the fact that you're writing to improve your skills mean that you don't pay any attention at all to the useful feedback that you do receive? That would be the only way I could see one "writing for themselves", which boggles the mind, because one has no hope of improving their writing through such a course of action. Please explain to me how the hell that works, 'cos I'm stumped.

Oohhhhhhhhh, okay. So maybe all that nonsense about "writing for yourself" is a not-so-subtle reminder that you can pull the plug on your story anytime you want. And if enough people continue to annoy you...well, I guess I have figured out what's going on. There are more than enough avenues besides fanfiction to improve your skills. Hell, ask JBern: he seems to enter every fucking writing competition/magazine there is. Funnily enough, he pretty much thrives on reader feedback, whether it's his fanfiction or his own work. Any questions about updating are usually answered, or the person asking is pointed in the right direction. Or ignored. Even the authors here who'd quickly and happily tear a reader a fat, gaping anal cave for asking about the next update wouldn't say they were writing for themselves.

I'll say the same thing about your denial of writing for the audience that I did about your laziness regarding the timeshift thing: you do it, own up to it, let it go.
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This is turning into a total bitch-fest. Does any of this matter at all? He will update when he feels like it, and, BS reasons or not, (I pick no sides) there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

 

Yes but it is lulzy.

I think while Blaise has a point, just drop it and let it go. If he wants to be an interwebz hardass on his story then let him. He writes for his reasons, and his reasons only. I know I myself writee to improve my skills and I do get kind of annoyed when I'm asked for an update (which is rare but you know). Either way, both have points and I laughed so whatever.

 

Update Sanity is fleeting. Nao.

>_>

Just thought I'd help.

 

Since this "bitchfest" is primarily between me and MrJoe, I'm assuming that I'm the one bitching. Fine: once again, I'll bite.

This bitchfest, that you haven't bothered to read, has nothing to do with his fucking update rate. In fact, I said no less than twice that I agree with the fact that people asking him to update need to shut the fuck up. I'll snag those quotes for you:

And m'here:

What I'M discussing is that he,as an aspiring author, claims that he's not writing fanfiction for the reader/audience. I disagree with this, seeing as being an author depends heavily on writing for a given audience. We both agree (I think) that those nagging for updates detract from the writing improvement process, but I'm arguing that he still cares (to an extent) about the audience he's writing for.

Does this matter at all? In terms of a discussion about updates, no; but then this isn't a discussion about fucking updates. This is a forum: he said something, I disagreed, we're talking about it. That's what a forum is for. At least I'm not saying "aww fuck it, its internets let's post cat and tit pix for lulz", which REALLY wouldn't fucking contribute to this discussion, would it? But I guess if I'm not making you giggle at stupid fucking cats and fap-worthy breasteseseseseses then I shouldn't disagree with someone, should I? Don't get me wrong - the lulz are great - but if someone brings up something I want to discuss, I'll discuss it. In fact, I had bitched a few weeks earlier about this thread popping up, only to not be a discussion about an updated chapter, but someone who'd only just discovered the fic giving their (repetitive) two cents on the story. Someone rightfully pointed out that (a) if someone wants to discuss the story, it's their prerogative , and (b) thread derailing is pretty much standard fare on this (and any) forum.

(I am sorry, however, for not thinking about your sensitivities to bitchfests before posting. Forgive me.)

You, showing your infinite diplomacy by not "picking sides" (bless your soul), have contributed in your post no discussion about the story, no opinion about how a writer improves without an audience, but have have rehashed some shit that's already been elaborated on. On the other end of the spectrum, you have posted no cuddly kittens, no fail-worthy pix, or fap-worthy weeminz. Ignoring the couple of posters who were retarded enough to ask for an update, pretty much every other post but yours matters.

But, just for you ramadden, I'm done; you can bring the thread back on
topic. Bitchfest no more, 'kay?

And to show that there are no hard feelings:

 

That's some pretty funky underwear.

I'm in agreement with JustBlaise. If improving your writing was your sole motivation, then you'd have no reason to post the story online. Since you have posted your story online, then we must conclude that you have other motivations too, such as gratification and a desire to share your work.

 

I agree, Taure. (About the underwear).

I suspect MrJoe is being a little hyperbolic, not deliberately dishonest. His motivation for posting could well be for improving his own writing and the feedback provided by reviews can aid that. I'd disagree with him that, while the one-line reviews individually don't tell a writer much, taken as a whole they give a sense of how a piece of prose is received. This can be invaluable.

Nonjon had a great comment about reviews (one that I couldn't manage to dig up with a cursory search) that went something along the lines of short reviews make one want to keep writing, in depth, thoughtful reviews make one wish to become a better writer. In addition to the concrit, one cannot deny the power of the occasional ego stroke that comes from someone actually not hating what one has put to words--if it encourages the writer to jot more down and he remains critical of his own work, he's bound to improve.

@ MrJoe: By "course" in your previous post, do you mean "sequence" or "program"? In the U.S., "course" is often synonymous with "class". I myself took a couple creative writing courses in college (yeah, stop laughing Taure and Vlad and Jenkins) and I can attest that, while useful, they aren't exactly panaceas.

Also, for what it's worth, I think my favorite scene in your story is when Harry takes the candy bar from the first year.

 

Wonderful.

@ perspicacity: My favorite scene is the one where Harry tutors Luna. I thought that whole thing was pretty lulzy.

 

My favourite scene would have to be when Harry asked for 20 million galeons(?) from Fudge. But hen again, I hate Fudge.

Favourite humour's scene will have to be the mudbizzle statement.

 

Really? I didn't like it at all. It just seemed completely ridiculous and out of context.

 

I know.

Harry sounding black is what made it funny for me. I hate stereo type's and that must have been a slap in the face to them.

Edit: Chris Rock will tell you

 

The mudbizzle was utterly fail, yet I still lol'd. My favorite character is Gabrielle: Veela power + kicked in balls = hilarious imagery.

 

Pwned/lulz. Nice one.

Gabrielle is easily one of the funniest things though Harry's small little smartarse comments are probably my favourite humour parts of the story. Just every now and then when he shuts down Archie. I love it.

EDIT:

Abandoned more or less. But this isn't the thread.

 

You sir, are my fucking hero. That scene had me giggling for days, yet I barely got one remark about it, besides from the random twelve year olds messaging me saying 'THAT'S NOT NICE OF YOU!!!'

I don't see how any 'bitchfest' is going on, nor how I'm trying to be an internet 'hardass' but whatever, I don't care. I'm telling you how it is, and it's up to you to believe it or 'lawl' in my face. My story has around three thousand reviews, around ten of them were useful in helping me improve, so the question still remains, why continue writing if the readers aren't helping much anymore?

Honestly? I'm going to see this story through regardless - i've put too much of my time into it to do anything but. Posting the chapters isn't exactly hard, so I may as well do it anyway and see how people are recieving it.

The best help I've had in terms of improving my writing has actually came from my beta, which (I think) is fairly obvious given the quality difference in the chapters at the beginning and current point in this story. I'm of the opinion that the quality was actually rather bad until chapter sixteen-ish . . .

What I mean by course is a hard question to answer, because I know nothing of the american college system. It's actually called a bachelor of creative writing (BCW) and it's a three year 'program' that has me do all random classes until I pass and what not. They (The University of Melbourne) guarantee me the qualifications to, at least, be an English teacher if i receive the diploma, which earns like eighty grand a year in these parts if i get the position, which is awesome - I think it is anyway.


I can give you a date for the next chapter, and as long as I get no more schoolwork tomorrow, it should stick. Saturday night (AU time).

 

That was your first mistake Joe. Never give a time like you did in your pokemon fic. It put's you as an author under more pressure. I know I checked your profile the day you set. Oh, the dissapointment's.

 

Mr Joe, when I review your chapters, I tell you what I like, I read HP fanficitions purely to entertain myself, when you post your chapters unbetad, I do see some spelling mistakes, but I wont review on how your punctuation, grammar was, becuase I myself are not good at spotting them. I was horriable at English in Highschool, Got a D for my GCSE, Had to retake it in college but I passed and got a B, but even though I did good in my exam, I still suck at the subject.

I myself go to college so I can get into Law school, and I know what you mean about assignments, it can be a bitch.

Anyway its good to see that a update will be on saturday, I think te readers are lucky anyway with what we received so far, I mean KIP has been in progress for 6 or 7 months, and its has 200,000 +, I seen fics that takes 3 years just to get to tha amount, plus with the fast update rate, I count it a blessing for we got so far. This is the only fic I look forward to since Black Comedy ended.

My favourite scenes will have to be when Gabirelle kicks the guys in the nuts and when Harry actually loses the bet to cho (to me it tells that Harry isn't perfect, he can be wrong, he doesn't have to be right), I do like the scene harry reactions being chosen as Cedric advisor, and how he insults everyone. There are others, but too many to list.

Mr Joe, what are you planning to be, a writer, english teacher, or both??

 

I know, but I saw you mention it here so my response came here just because I'm lazy and didn't feel like finding the thread.

Back to the story, I have to agree with Justblaise and say Gabrielle's kicking people in the balls while using her veela powers just takes the cake for me.

And just for MrJoe, I'll just mention that the stealing of the candy bar had me giggling for a few hours.

Also, and it's probably just me since I'm still quite a newb to Harry Potter fan fictions, but I'm just going to mention that his 'cliches' never bothered, as to me, they were never cliches. I think the only thing that has really bothered me in this story at all, is the guitar, which barely comes up anyways, so it's ok.

As for how the story is written itself, yeah, sometimes there are some mistakes here and there, but for the most part, this story has been well written and that is what has been keeping me reading.

And that is my opinion.

 

Hmm...that guitar had my Fangirl-precognition-senses going haywire. I could almost see the band forming, what with Archie supposedly being a great singer and all.

I can't really single out anything in the entire fic that made me wet my pants with laughter. If anything, its Harry's aloof nature and his remarkable feel for hard-hitting humorous insults that make me laugh the most. Definitely the best fic I've read in quite while.

 

I've read it. Tis a good piece of fanfiction... enjoyable, with a Harry that you might not relate to, but you can surely, in testosterone dreams, aspire to. He's farking smart, handsome, and driven more intensely than one of those new Chinese monorails. The plot is pretty good too: superficial enough to keep one from thinking too deeply, and seamless enough that one does decry about inconsistencies. So all in all, I'd give the fanfic 4/5

It looses out on many fronts too: realism. There are prodigies, yes... but do realize even they need to be extensively trained before they are crossing all frontiers. And believe m, when you are that smart, you are not stable.

Your Harry is just too... perfect. He makes No mistakes, he is Always right, and while you are talented enough an author that pull it off without exasperating the reader, you are not good enough to hide it. It shows, blatantly.

I've gotten so pissed at how you've portrayed most of the girls in your story, to elevate Fleur's chaste nature. It really is bull. You are bashing far too many people for my liking, and since most of it is from Harry's point of view...that indifference that you like to point our is a major part of his character, that is compromised.

Bah...basically what I want to point out is: its an enjoyable read. The quips are funny. But its a bit too... superficial, the conversation seemingly constructed for the maximum number of jokes that you can extract. And the characters are mostly static.

So, anyways. Not a well flowing review But those were the points that I wanted to... well, point out. I think you know most of them... but if you want I could extract specific paras from the story to elucidate, although that would take time. Perhaps if you update soon I make have a reason to backtrack and re-read a couple?