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Harry/Tonks age gap

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by NewtScamander, Jul 12, 2020.

  1. dudeler

    dudeler High Inquisitor

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    This whole thread is very weird, is this a discussion about the morality of what in many jurisrictions would be statutory rape in fanfics?
     
  2. Gengar

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    This one is pretty simple, the older you get, the less relevant age gaps between partners is. 12 and 32 is a crime. 22 and 42 is a bit strange. 42 and 62? Meh. 100 and 122? Who even cares? etc.
     
  3. fire

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    Age is just a number...

    ... sayeth Tonks to the parole officer.
     
  4. Hymnsicality

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    I mean 17 is the age of adulthood in HP as opposed to the muggle world's 18 which might mean that through extrapolation the age of consent is 15 in the wizarding world. Which may be the reason why nobody cared about Krum/Hermione (except Ron lol) as both were above the age of consent, no Romeo + Juliet exceptions needed.

    So 15 yr old Harry in OOTP and Tonks may be legally fine. Or maybe there aren't any laws about it whatsoever in the wizarding world so who cares?
     
  5. Gengar

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    It's 16 in the 'muggle world' no? Isn't that the age of consent in the UK? Or is that just for destroying your liver? :p
     
  6. WierdFoodStuff

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    This thread is annoying, I wanna fuck Tonks so Harry has to fuck Tonks.

    It's all quite legal I assure you.
     
  7. Alistair

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    It's been a while since I looked into this, but I think the rules in the UK are:

    Age of consent 16, BUT there is a grey area where one party is over the age of consent but a minor, whilst the other party is an adult (especially in a position of authoity).

    So 16 year old and his 17 year old girlfriend, all good.
    16 year old and his 18 year old girlfriend, probably ok.
    16 year old and his 24 year old cop girlfriend, seriously shaky ground.

    The age for serious liver destruction is 18.
     
  8. Mordecai

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    Yeah, that would make sense to me. The guy I replied to seemed to be saying the opposite.

    Nah, its far simpler than that. AOC is 16, except where one party is in a position of authority, and except with regard to visual media.
     
  9. Hymnsicality

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    yeh but age of majority: i.e. voting age and drinking age and when you can no longer go to Juvie is 18 normally. But that age is 1 year earlier at 17 in the wizarding world. Ergo the potential for age of consent to be a year younger as well to 15 instead of 16. That is of course if wizards even care about that sort of thing. Statutory rape doesn't seem like the kind of thing that wizards would have a serious interest in legislating for.
     
  10. Sorrows

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    Age of consent is 16. Adults can have sex with 16+ in the UK. However the law explicitly excludes adults who are in a 'position of trust.' This is reasonably narrowly defined category (which has caused issues) but definitely includes police officers and definitely definitely involves police officers that are dealing with that person as a victim/witness/vulnerable person (actually this applies if they are adults too.)

    If you are using British Muggle law as a basis for magical law, Tonks would be super fucked if she started a relationship with Harry and very fired/prosecuted. There is no gray area here legally.

    Hell if she started a relationship with an 18+ Harry while he was the witness/victim/vulnerable person in a case she was involved in or recently involved in she would get fired. Happens all the time. Knew a guy who got fired for disclosing a relationship with a former victim three years after the fact (when he proposed.)

    Essentially 16 year old Harry can bang Madam Rosmerta into the tabletop but if he shags Professor Sprout or Tonks or Snape that be a crime. Also while he can bang Alberforth and even marry him at 16, if he sends him the wizarding equivalent of nuddy selfies that's child porn and they both could technically be prosecuted. :colbert:

    Edit: Also I just googled 'can cops have sex with 16 year olds UK' and 'Position of trust, age of consent police officers, UK law' to double check if police explicitly come under the legislation or if it's situational. So if I ever get my phone downloaded I'm going to have to explain that.
     
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  11. kinetique

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    What pisses me off about Harry/Tonks isn't the age gap, it's that almost 100% of the time they insist on making Harry and Tonks this weird insecure couple who don't want to take advantage of what's going on. Maybe I've just been lucky to consistently engage in happy relationships but a key theme in them is that we do things to make the other person happy. Including making ourselves more attractive where possible. Not always, but definitely not never. Also fanfiction attitudes towards sex are fucking bizarre; there's no middle ground between totally over the top and feeling lucky to get a kiss at 17.

    #downwiththeIjustwanttoseeyourtrueform
     
  12. MonkeyEpoxy

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    I've always liked the headcanon that she doesn't have a true form, or if she does, she's forgotten what it was. A side-effect of just constantly changing. Like every family picture growing up shows a different Tonks - or if they're magical pictures, she looks different every time someone looks at the picture.
     
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  13. Psychotic Cat

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    I like that, it's certainly better than the trope I've seen a few times of she hates showing anyone her true form because she could pass for Bellatrix Lestranges clone.

    Tonks is a neat character, I like her, and sure it requires a certain amount of AU to make the ship work... but that's not really much of a problem.
     
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    That's good in theory but doesn't really hold up to canon. She mostly always looks the same in canon, except when disguised as an old lady in OotP or goofing around with pig snout. Even in HBP, when she purportedly has problems with her metamorphosis she's still perfectly recognizable.

    Sure, she might have been able to basically be a different person every hour, but evidence shows that she doesn't use her gift to change herself in her everyday life, only when she's needs to be incognito. The only feature that regularly changes is her hair color.

    So I think it's safe to assume the way we always see her is her "true form", by virtue of habit if nothing else. Sure, maybe she's constantly changing a few things and maybe she's even forgotten she's doing it, but nothing so consequent that she would really be seen as different.
     
  15. kinetique

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    I don't have a problem with an underlying true form, I have a problem with consistently taking what could be an incredibly fun relationship and making it drudgery. If I had the power to turn into Hrithik Roshan or Brad Pitt on occasion to make my partner happy I sure as shit would, and I have no doubt she would do the same. Also; polyjuice potion is clearly a sex toy in disguise.
     
  16. Donimo

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    Half your age + seven. Everyone knows this.
     
  17. aAlouda

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    That rule doesen't apply when Teenagers are involded, otherwise Neville taking Ginny to the Yule Ball would mean that he was a creep.
     
  18. Mordecai

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    The rule is pretty stupid anyway. Since morality and law varies from country to country, trying to apply a single rule like that is pretty pointless.
     
  19. Donimo

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    Tonks isn't a teenager.
     
  20. Trooper

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    So, wait, wait, wait....

    All this discussion... cause you guys think Harry and Tonks have an Age Gap?
    Da fuck? What Age gap?

    What would you say then, about my OTP Harry/Molly?
    Huh? I dare you to say that to my face...
     
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