Odd thought... is creationism false in the dresden verse?

considering all the religious verification you'd think so... but then again, Harry was able to bring to life a a freakin T-Rex that was so epicly powerful because it was millions of years old. That would seemingly confirm evolution then.

Just something to puzzle over... does that mean that there ever was an eden.

I mention this because first testament has a lot to do with angels the devil, and of course the creationist view of things.

 

The problem with these ideas is there are so many different interperations. Some say that Micheal is the only archangel because he is the only one specificly mentioned as such. It all just depends on your opinion.

 

yeah but that aint going to stop us from pondering them...
If we did we would never have had fem blaise

or the wonders of multi-compartment trunks that could fit the playboy mansion within its abode. Or Awesome goblin friends that are more loyal than a weasley on crack

 

Perhaps the Fallen attached to the coins were the ones tormenting Judas Iscariot at the time of his suicide?

I'm not sure about the Michael beating Lucifer thing but, before the fall, Lucifer was God's right hand, second in power only to the big guy upstairs.

 

I can't see them tormenting him, maybe vying to use him as a host yeah.

I mean its got to be some kind of street cred to have a host who killed the son of God.

Wow... I am going to hell.

 

Well Nicodemus was one of the Pharisees if memory serves (not one of the ones that pushed for Jesus' execution but still).

Did you realize this before or after the dolphin porn?

 

Just so you know, Jim said, on his forum, that the 30 Denarians were the elite of hell, and everybody Lucifer didn't want to stab him in the back, implying that Lucifer was the one who put them there. He also said the coins were a type of solitary confinement.

 

Hmmm didn't know that, though that's not exactly a confinement per say. 'You may have more freedom then any other Fallen and can cause panic and mayhem.' Sounds like a gift actually. Which was probably why they let him do it.

Were half of them batshit-insane when he was worried about being stabbed in the back or later?

 

I looked around, and found it.

 

In the actual Dresden Verse as far as I know none of the Fallen are actually insane, thats something that Shezza came up with. Some of them seem to be more in the 'brute enforcer' category then the others though, ie Magog.

 

I guess I'm arguing with the author here... but the frozen in carbonite analogy doesn't really work. They are unable to initiate actions true, but they can perceive and manipulate.

@fuubar: Okay not batshit-insane but, as the first Denarian ever encountered demonstrated, perfectly willing to pick up a host, drive him completely insane then run around causing mayhem until the Knights put him down. And the cycle repeats.

 

Actually, that guy was Ol' Nicks enforcer.

 

Hmm, I took the whole freed from the coin bit to mean something more along the lines of set loose on earth to reek havoc. I guess I just misinterpreted what you meant you had meant earlier, I thought you meant that the Fallen itself was actually insane.

Err... What?

 

I always assumed it was the host that was insane, not the Fallen in the first encounter in the books. Maybe the host tried to back out at some point but couldn't because of how much ground the Fallen had taken, so he was driven insane instead, or the Fallen took over and he went insane as a result of its actions in his body.

Just because they display a tendency towards violence doesn't mean they're insane. At least not totally.

 

The first fallen we saw, Ursiel (I think), I'm pretty sure he worked for Nick. Kind of like Magog for Nick wife.

 

Wait, does this mean that the Fallen are in the coins, and not just linked to them from the Otherside?

 

The Fallen are on the outside or Im willing to bet they would have much more power than they do. Im wanting to say somewhere it says that Fallen are on the Outside but that might be Shezza's work.

 

Lucifer was the 'morning star' he was God's right hand. Michael, on the other hand is the one who cast Lucifer down from Heaven. Michael, in some Christian mythos, is Jesus.

 

Your thinking about DR and DK.

 

I haven't read much of the DF series yet. Still on #5. So when I read something in DR/DK about the Dresdenverse, I usually assume that it's true, unless I'm told otherwise (or read otherwise in my slow progress through the books).