Hey guys, I wrote a really crappy short unfinished fic ages ago, gave up, and have been wrestling with this idea for 6 months at least. No joke.

Basically I want to see if the initial idea is sound enough. Any other ideas to help flesh it out would be great, and I'll be starting this story some time this week.

> Krum is working with crouch jnr, Harry is attacked by Krum after he returns from the tournament, a small duel happens and Harry is hit with an AK

>Harry has a weird reaction to the curse, instead of doing the usual and dying, Harry bursts into green flames and his body goes under a transformation, similar to the picture in the attachment.

>Harry escapes Hogwarts, No-one knowing where hes gone, he will eventually come back to Hoggies, with an almost human body (a couple of non-human advancements) with a new outlook on life.

Any suggestions would be great, I've not put all my ideas here cause I don't want to ruin it for any one.

Cheers!

 

Well after he is hit with the AK, the story centres around Harry's physical and mental change. It deals with his trying to deal with his new body, and realising that the only way he can return to his former body is to (I hate saying this, it sounds really lame) but suck souls.

Harry tries to do this with animals, with interesting consequences, but eventually decides he can use this to kill off a few death eaters, but this slowly starts turning him dark as he is influenced by their essence.

When Harry returns to Hogwarts, he's a very different person. He returns to start his own separatist group, apart from the Order and Ministry, and then his select team and him will bring the war to Voldie.

 

Well, I wasn't sure if I wanted to release this part, but Harry will suck the souls of a few magical creatures, and become a kind of mutant, it'll be pretty cool.

I was more worried about the initial killing of Harry, is that believable? Plus Harrys going to go a bit nuts after he change, so don't worry about him not being dark as hell.

 

Seems to me, that if Harry can suck the souls out of human beings in order to fuel his magic, Harry's death in a mass of green fire isn't really all that unbelievable.

So, is Harry going to come back to school and just assume the position, or is he going to sneak around and gobble up Slytherins at night? Harry is going to have a problem eating if he is confined to Hogwarts.

And what is his new outlook? Is he concerned with the well-being of wizarding society or is he going to suck the soul out of Voldemort and then shit on the Ministry of Magic?

You know, if he really wanted to fuel his magic, he could sink his teeth into Dumbledore while he's sleeping. Power boost, sucka.

 

You need to find some sort of innovative, new way for that to work, if this even has a chance of getting off the ground. I, for one, am rather tired of these stories, but I'd imagine that there are plenty of people who aren't and would be willing to read it.

Possibly.

 

Harry isn't going to be hunting at Hogwarts at first, he's going to try and return to his human body first. Harry's going to be using this power in secret at first.

So initially, when Harry goes back to Hogwarts, no-one knows where he has been and what he's become, and thats how Harry wants it to stay. He's going to set up his separatist movement in Hogwarts, and also damage the other sides of the war, before leaving. This means recruiting a few students, but not the golden trio, a select few.

I don't want this to turn into a super powered Demon Harry, who runs about killing DE and pissing off dumbledore. He's going to be a bit twisted, but still sane enough to know he's not going to win this war on his own.

I will also need a Beta, so if anyone is generally interested in this idea, and has expierience being a Beta, PM me or stick a post here

 

Seen it, been done, nothing new here. You've turned harry into a different sort of creature, but then he goes back to hogwarts and does the same stuff. Once again, I suggest coming up with an ORIGINAL way to represent this.

 

I agree.

If Harry's going to have a new body and new outlook on life, I don't necessarily think he would come back to Hogwarts for power or troops. I would think he delve into the darker side of the Wizarding world and try to scout for some recruits there. There would also have to be some sort of conflict. Is he trying to destroy both the OOTP and the Death Eaters and create his own faction? Does he still have loyalties towards Dumbledore? Is he just screwed in the head now that he's a demon thingy?

I think a combination of the first and third would be pretty interesting, but this is your story and I'm interested to see where you're going to take this.

 

A way to better present this to your friendly neighborhood reader: The reason Harry is coming back to Hogwarts is to corrupt the youth right under Dumbledore's crooked nose THEN turn them against him. Personally, I would corrupt the Order rather than the boys and girls, but it's your story, is it not?

I know nothing of being a beta, but I would be honored to pre-read your fic and provide feedback, and I'll correct any errors that I see.

Don't let the negatives get you down. Stand strong in the face of adversity! Der Kampf ums Recht! Yarrr!

 

Interesting idea, yes very interesting. However I am seeing some problems that are nagging at me.

The idea of Harry getting hit by an AK and going up in a burst of flames? Loving it! It is plausible and I see no reason as to why you shouldn't do it, it is a good cover for Harry being gone. Harry mutating on the other hand....

Well I can see it, but w/e. It is a unique idea, and I would look forward to reading it however, what is the point of going back to Hogwarts? You said that when Harry comes back to Hogwarts, he is going to look basically human again. Now the problem that I see with this is how is he going to accomplish this?

I would think that it would be far past Harry's level of skill in order to alter his body in such a way. Even if you have had him read a book in the restricted section for some un-known reason on one of his late night strolls. (That idea would piss me off btw) Thus my conclusion that Harry is going to need help. (Unless of course if by taking souls his body becomes somewhat more humanish?)

And thus, if Harry is going to need help from the outside, why is it that he is going to need to go back to Hogwarts? Yes the idea that Harry could go back and create his own "personal/private" army is there. It has been done way too many times, and I really don't want to see it again. Add to the fact that Cannon Dumbledore isn't as stupid as most authors make him, and you got problems.

You have already stated that you are going to have Harry go back to raise the army, but the trio isn't going to be in it. So if not for his friends then for what? I mean they are after all only students, and I tend to believe the average wizard/witch knows a bit more then we give em credit for.

I for one would not have Harry go back to Hogwarts at all personally, I mean if he is going through a change, then what has he got to learn there? As I said before, if he is going to get his human body back, he is going to need help. And if he can get help to do that, why would he ever want to go back to school when that person or persons can aid him?

This could also be a good way for him to gain support and power in an obscure location. He would be able to "feed" and gather supporters, and while not being all powerful, at least start his own force.

Now this of course led me to the other main problem that I saw. This is book four, and this is before the third task of the tournament no? So what on earth is Harry going to need to gain support and troops for? Voldemort has not been brought back, and unless you bring him back I see no need for him to have an army. (Unless of course you are going to make the rest of the wizarding world find out about him, and put a bounty or something on his head. Thus you could do Harry vs. Ministry, with Dumbledore reforming the order to cause the biggest thorn in Harry's side.)

Perhaps you are going to have Harry absorb Voldemort, and start on a path to become the next Dark Lord?

However I can only assume as to what you plan to do right now, you have not given us enough info to provide too much help to you. (At least I fill this way) If you want some more aid, I would suggest posting some more so we at least have an idea as to what you want to do. (And if you don't want my aid, just tell me to STFU and get out. lol)

-Void

 

Cheers guys for the feedback, it is really appreciated and I am taking it all on board.

First of all, it seems the idea of Harry going back to Hogwarts isn't a good idea. The only way I can explain it is Harry doesn't want to be known as the new part in this war. He wants to play to the image of the golden boy for a bit longer. You're right about the fact that they're all students still though.

Maybe I'm trying to play it safe, keeping to an all ready created setting. I like the idea about him starting his own army somewhere completely different, but I'm not sure where. I don't want to do a typical Harry goes to Japan = Ninja Harry, maybe America?

Harry won't be leaving right away, He'll be building up his powers in the UK at first, and getting into a few scraps.

As for the turning back into a human, its not a ritual or spell, it happens when he accidently sucks a soul for the first time.

Also this fic will start specifically after Harry arrives back from Voldie's rebirth.

I actually can't wait to start writing this, expect something soon!

 

Oh snap, I just thought of this; a way to have Harry stay around, with a twist I've never seen done before.

When he sucks the soul, he acquires the knowledge AND the body of that person. Say, for example, when Harry is hit with Avada Kedavra, he explodes in a burst of flame, somewhat like spirit Voldemort. He then becomes something of a Dementor-like form, but when he touches another being, there is a struggle of wills over whether he can dominate them, and then he either takes over there body or is rejected painfully.

His first body could be Krum's - it would be monumentally easier to enter the mind of a person already being controlled, because the only battle he would need to fight would be against Barty Crouch Jr. Then, he can take over Krum's position and moves on in the tournament, grabbing the portkey and joining Voldemort. Or, if Diggory has already won, he could just move on, perhaps return to his life and stir up trouble in Bulgaria.

^ This is a story I'd be sure to read. What do you think?

 

I think it would be a better idea that instead of Krum working for Crouch Jr. Harry looses the battle of wills during the wand interaction with Voldemort. Voldemort does use Avada Kedavra I believe. Have Harry be distracted or something during it, which allows Voldemort the advantage. This way no one is aware that Voldemort is alive, and Harry is the only one aware of it. Knowing that if he tries to tell others, his appearance would not help his cause.

 

No, Averis. No. that is WAY too much. We don't want another super!harry. Besides, It's a lot like being a metamorph, this taking of bodies.

 

How about this: Instead of moving from body to body, he just gets trapped in Krum's body - and since Krum was working for Crouch he has an in to the Death Eater ranks. I think it would be cool if Harry was just dark enough that he let the Death Eater's get away with muggle baiting and torture - to some extent - but stepped in when necessary. For example; during a Death Eater initation he is the group leader and they attack a small gathering of muggles. Torture abounds, but Krum, pretending to be more concerned about leaving before the Aurors arrive, bad mouths the over eager DEs and Avada Kevadras the few to relieve their pain - thus furthermore gaining respect in the ranks. He could subtly influence the Voldemort regime- Krum would have some major clout if he knocked of the bastard child who killed Voldemort in the first place- while learning in an enviroment that is sure to boost his power, and finding potential flaws in Voldemort's strong armor.

Slowly he knocks off the inner circle, giving a good word for Snape and helping to promote the weaker minded more easily controlled newbies higher into the ranks. Then, when the timing is right, he sets up Voldemort and takes his virginity. Anally.

edit: He wouldn't be super!Harry anyways, he would only have the knowledge and abilities of a seventh year coupled with a fourth year student.

 

Averis brings up a good idea, one that wouldn't be too bad to see. However I still see one huge problem......HOW THE HELL IS VOLDEMORT GETTING BACK?!

What everyone has stated so far, is Harry vs Voldemort, and while this is all well and good, it is the major problem with the plan. While Harry could indeed use Krums body to continue fighting in the Tri-wizard, how is Voldemort going to get back? In the book, it is set up so that Harry wins the cup, and gets portkeyed to the graveyard. If Harry is dead, doesn't that kinda ruin Voldemort's entire plan?

Unless you are some how making it so that Voldemort becomes aware that Harry is alive, only that he is possessing Krum. Or you could even try to say that it is the blood of an enemy forcibly taken or what not. However, when does it ever state that Krum has a grudge 'bout Voldemort? And why would he have one, it's not like Voldemort was recking his country.

Xanatos, I guess my request wasn't that clear in my last post so let me ask simply.

How is Voldemort getting back? (Or are you going to keep this secret to startle us with your brilliant plan?)

 

Voldemort comes back the exact same way as he does in GOF.

Heres a timeline.

> Voldie comes back, Harry escapes as usual, comes back taken by Crouch JNR.

>Taken by Crouch, same interegation seen, except something new is revealed. Harry then saved.

> Last day of school, Harry attacked by Krum, green flames, "Ahh I'm a Demon!", and so on.

Thats basically how it starts, hope that cleared it up.

Good ideas about the Harry taking Krums body and stuff, but I'm not going that way, why don't you try that? I'd read it