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Hermione's shitty parents

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Erotic Adventures of S, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. Erotic Adventures of S

    Erotic Adventures of S Denarii Host

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    I remember thinking this years ago when reading the books and a lot more fanfiction.

    How negligent are Hermione's and other muggles parents like the Creevys.

    Unfortunately there is a shit load we simply don't know to get a definitive answer, but we can logically guess some. Also we have to split this into pre and post Dumbledore.

    Post Dumbledore, it seems totally stupid for any muggle born to willingly enter the wizarding world. Now we don't know if they could choose to simply stay at home and leave the magical world, or if they would be hunted down. Either way, the worst thing to do would be to keep going to school, the best thing would be to organise a nice long trip down under or State side.

    But this is mostly about Pre Dumbledore's death, and specifically about Hermione since we know the most about her.

    In PS it seems fine and logical to send their daughter to a school so she can learn to control the freaky shit that sometimes happens around her, we can assume they got a visit and some reading material and also went to Diagon Ally to check it out.

    But come CoS, they have a run in with Malfoy in the book shop, and realise that dispite being White middle/upper class, they are considered the worst sort of scum, and are called it to their face. They would also know that this while not wide spread, is hardly a small portion of the population with even a few questions or reading their daughters history books.

    We don't know for sure, but I find it hard to believe they didn't know about her being petrified. Add this into other numerous other events that we can't be sure they know everything about but must know some... How negligent are they?

    Not being a parent, I can't say definitively, but I don't think I would want my child going to a school with a vocal and historic hate group aimed directly at you. A history of sever negligence by the staff and numerous deaths or accidents.

    Now you can obviously argue Hermione shielded her parents from a lot of it, but they are supposed smart people and have first hand experience with some of it. Any responsible person would look into it, read their papers and history and pull their kid the fuck out of there.
     
  2. Schrodinger

    Schrodinger Muggle ~ Prestige ~

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    Clearly, you don't have enough experience lying to overprotective parents. Boarding school makes it astonishingly easy.
     
  3. Zennith

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    Also, magic.

    Could you tell your kid she couldn't go learn to do magic? Hell no.
     
  4. Erotic Adventures of S

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    Oh I can expect Hermione to cover up as much as possible.

    But I think there are a few things they would know

    * Definitely knew about the Malfoys and the muggle born hate.
    * Would hope the school informed them about their daughter being turned into a half animal and being petrified, if not just another example of negligence on the schools part. They don't have to report everything to parents, but those were pretty fucking extreme.
    *Being responcible parents, you'd expect them to d some reading, the Daily Prophet and Hermione's history books.

    None of this paints a good picture.
     
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    I'd read that fic.
     
  7. Quiddity

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    Well, this is only for a year. And besides, I expect that once Voldemort took over, they either didn't tell new muggleborns or, more likely, arrested them without telling them anything about the wizarding world.

    (And did any of them keep going to school? I thought there were only half-bloods resisting in the DA.)
     
  8. Erotic Adventures of S

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    The Creevy brothers were in the DA and final battle, one of them died.
     
  9. Schrodinger

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    This is the same school that doesn't require parental permission for eleven year olds to play a vicious bloodsport that regularly causes broken bones, concussions, and occasionally kills people. Criminally negligent is kind of the Hogwarts motto.
     
  10. Narsuz

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    I have to disagree with you there, what about in America where children told to run into each other as hard as they can, or in the UK where we play rugby. Both of these sports have the same sort of backlash and injuries, and in some cases, probably more dangerous (American Football). The amount of concussions and mental consequences that sport has is incredible.
     
  11. Schrodinger

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    Comparing quidditch and football in terms of lethality is both hilarious and off-topic. And trust me, there's no way a kid is going to be on a school-sponosred team for a contact sport without a permission form and a disclaimer in the states.
     
  12. Ched

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    Well, I'll offer my opinions on how it might have worked out for Hermione.

    But all in all I do agree that JKR didn't do a good job of letting us know what was going on with Hermione. We knew plenty about Ron and Harry's home life, but were left to assume that Hermione had a fairly typical muggle home... only that doesn't quite add up, as you say, because of the events Hermione was involved in that typical parents wouldn't ignore. At the very least she should have told Harry and Ron about more of it, but from a storytelling perspective... I'm not surprised JKR left it out.

    It's not like there was another option for their daughter to learn magic where that would have been better. Maybe Beauxbatons, but there are other possible issues there (and might still be prejudiced towards her).

    I.e. Hermione is a minority, and the only available schools that can teach her a skill she both wants and needs contain a faction racist against her particular minority. There's not much her parents can do about that against Hermione's will, except force her to attend another magic school (where prejudice might still apply) or force her to drop magic altogether (which would deprive her of a useful life skill).

    The polyjuice fiasco I could see 50/50. To muggles, yes, such an accident might be 'pretty fucking extreme' but to wizards it might seem like typical student idiocy. Students probably screw around with spells and potions that they can't handle all the time, and Pomfrey fixed her up easily enough. Hermione's pride was hurt and she was embarrassed, but no lasting harm done.

    The petrification incident, however, I must agree with you on. Hermione basically had an extended hospital stay that caused her to miss a significant amount of class and required specific, difficult to obtain treatment. Given the nature of the attack it might be considered, even by wizards, as a murder attempt.

    It should have freaked her parents out. So something is going on there. Options might be that (1) Muggle parents aren't informed of magical incidents, (2) muggle parents are informed, but have no ability to take control of the situation by having their daughter moved to the hospital, visit her, etc., (3) muggle parents are informed, but only after the fact, making it possible for Hermione to do damage control and play down the whole incident.

    How long was she out for anyway? I can't remember. Something like 2 months? Even if she was writing to her parents every few weeks, she might have been able to convince them (after the fact) that she just forgot to write for two months. Mention an accident, mention the hospital stay, but play it down and then ramble on about the rest of your year. They worry, sure, but she's fine NOW so it can't have been that bad, right?

    But we don't know enough about how Hogwarts handles information like that with muggle parents to make real judgements.

    About what? The fact that there is prejudice? Well sure, but this goes back to the first point you made.

    It sucks to have to send your kid into a situation where some (not all) of their peers will be prejudiced against them. But in this case they don't have a lot of choice if they want to allow her to learn magic.

    It's also important to remember that even if they did read about the war, all the books and news they read would have said it was over. Voldemort is dead. Death Eaters are in Azkaban. All is well. So while they might read about prejudice towards their daughter, they wouldn't know that a dangerous and active terrorist group might target her specifically in the near future.

    Another point I agree on though is that you'd think they'd take the Daily Prophet and therefore know when things start to go to hell around GoF and OotP. Maybe (1) Hermione fooled them into thinking that as muggles they weren't allowed to get the Prophet, (2) they aren't allowed to get the prophet without Hermione present in the home, or (3) they don't know/realize that there is a paper they can order.

    I dunno man. It looks like they are at least somewhat negligent, but if you wanted to twist facts around you could make them fit so that her parents aren't bad... but that (in my mind so far) seems to rely on Hermione doing a lot of creative talking, which seems a bit negative towards her.

    Bah. And it wouldn't have taken much for JKR to help us out with this, but again I'm not surprised she didn't.
     
  13. Warlocke

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    I actually read this one fic, way back in the day, where I vaguely recall one of the plot points was that Hermione's parents had somehow died/been killed either before or not long after she started Hogwarts. She really only had to figure out what to do the few weeks of the year she wasn't at school, the Burrow, or Grimmauld Place.

    She even paid/bewitched a pair of muggles into pretending to be her parents in Diagon before her second year.
     
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  14. Photon

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    It is fairly likely that as Muggles they have no right whatsoever to decide about Hermione's schooling.

    Anyway, there is nearly no available canon so one may easily fit nearly everything - from "Hermione's parents are dead", through "they are negligent" or "abusive like Dursleys" to "they are discovering that they are is world of Lovecraftian horrors and they are about as good at handling this as average person" or "everybody involved is really trying but their attempts cannot compete with Power of the Plot" or "family members of Muggleborns are confunded by Ministry to ensure that Muggleborns will be mostly ignored".

    "They'll be really pleased - I mean prefect is something they can understand." etc indicate that they were unable and/or unwilling to understand what happened.

    "we can assume they got a visit and some reading material". I am not sure. It is certain that they were not given full access to all relevant information (because Statute of secrecy. It is also entirely possible that they received clear/implied threat "she is going to magical school or...". It is quite interesting that either only limited information is given or they would be basically threatened to follow exactly what Ministry wants - implication of how secrecy is maintained are obvious.
     
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  15. TMD

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    I'd just like to point out the merits of one of the best fics in the fandom, Harry Crow. Here, Dan and Emma Granger (wonderfully unique names crafted by Robst) actually threaten to remove Hermione from Hogwarts on multiple occasions after learning about the dangerous shit that happens at school...but they can't because muggles are considered animals in the eyes of wizarding law. Cue 600k words about changing the world and perceptions.

    So there you go, JKR can learn a thing or two from Robst.
     
  16. Clerith

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    You think it's that easy for muggleborn parents to get something like the Daily Prophet delivered to them? They're muggles. Owl mail? Wizarding money? The paper contains moving pictures. Wouldn't that risk a breach in the Statute of Secrecy, sending obviously magical items to the muggle world, to muggles?

    I've always felt that the muggleborn parents are left high and dry. I highly doubt that they're informed about anything that happens to their child. As for Hermione, she's a main character with plot armor, she needs to be there next to Harry and studying magic, so her parents were just basically ignored in the books.
     
  17. Aekiel

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    The Dursleys were never told about what was going on with Harry at school so I doubt Hermione's parents knew much either.
     
  18. Shinysavage

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    I have a feeling that's More Equal Than You Know https://m.fanfiction.net/s/3787073/1/More-Equal-Than-You-Know. Seem to recall it being a decent enough read, a few clever ideas but rushed on the romance and very much a super Harry.
     
  19. FriedIce

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    I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but I'm not certain.
     
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    A possobility is that hermiones parents just didnt care about her but werent neglecting her. I imagine her need to be praised ba adult or atuhority figures could come from being ignored or treated coldly by her own parents.
     
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