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Honks

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Lucullus, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. psihary

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    The_Office_A_Harry_and_Tonks_Story, funny thing is - ignoring the smut that is still one of the most interesting honks story out there... it doesn't have crying aurors in it, neither there are soul bonding - marriage contract clauses... well it doesn't have a real plot either nor any other ideas behind it, but that is of course only details...

    ... it does paint a good picture of Tonks and her hot secretary though...

    It is quite unfortunate that beside the image of Tonks in 'Harry Potter and the Blackhearted Auror' there are practically no fics where the author had at least tried to create a true character for his story but not just a shape-shifting pretty face with pink hair, most of the time, attached to the arm of our rebellious teenager...

    I'm not quite sure why "A saving people thing" got a comment of "which is shit by the way"... a story where Lupin gets nailed in the face for being the fag he is, always wins a point for me... it does have a good Moody character along with actual cannon HP, who seems to gradually change his character into more DLP worthy persona...

    As for "Internal magic", I can't even recall ever reading it
     
  2. Skeletaure

    Skeletaure Magical Core Enthusiast ~ Prestige ~ DLP Supporter

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    I still stand by my opinion that Tonks is technically genderless, so kinda a hermaphrodite.
     
  3. psihary

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    That is a disturbing image... but I'm too big of a fan of girls with uniforms and handcuffs to let it ruin my image of the auror in a fitting uniform (they should have something 'official' under those baggy robes after all)...
     
  4. Lucullus

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    It's not too well-received because of the angsty, emo feel of the fic, as well as Tonks' retarded pussy characterization. Despite these weaknesses, I still quite like it. You know Harry/Tonks isn't one of my preferred pairings when this fic is the only H/T one I'd like to see an update for.

    Simply can't get into the other ones. I've detested the standard cookie-cutter Indie!Harry plot for a long time, and almost all H/T stories seem to have this for a foundation.
     
  5. psihary

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    Well, I do agree on the overly angsty feel but then with the latest chapters one can already see the end of that part coming. Unfortunately a character transaction from the cannon!Harry, after OoTP, to anything else inevitably has to go through some angsty chapters...

    As for the "Tonks' retarded pussy characterization" I had some troubles going along with that characterization but then the all idea of abusive Lupin relies on it and once you manage to go through it you find out it works quite good for the reason to get rid of the werewolf.

    /rant/
    I suppose the one character I dislike the most after an all bossy-know-it-all Hermione and whiny/angsty Harry would be the freaking puff of a werewolf Lupin is.
    /end rant/

    Quote for the truth... indeed... that's what made me like this story so much I guess...
     
  6. Lucullus

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    Yeah, after reading this fic I thought I had gone into a Harry/Tonks phase, which was why I created this thread in the first place.

    I then read a few reccs and after hitting the 'X' button more than a few times, sometimes even before the end of one chapter, I remembered why I didn't really like H/T in the first place. :(
     
  7. Demons In The Night

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    Time for a DLP Honks challenge?
     
  8. The Sour Kraut

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    This.
    That's what I loathed about it. Granted, I didn't read too much of it, but I like Tonks and this image of her was against everything I expect from a good characterisation of her.

    I would love to read a Honks story that isn't the typical Indi!Harry, but I have yet to see a good one.
    I have high hopes for Ectomancer, though. (Assuming it will be Honks, but it seems like it.)
    Definitely.
     
  9. Blaise

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    She's still a she if she can't change the plumbing.
     
  10. psihary

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    Unfortunately there are very few still writing and are up to that challenge but following the harry/fleur thread which certainly was more popular and resulted in... I think only one finished story (Dagger and Rose, but I might be wrong), I have very little fate left for seeing a good Honks fic.

    That's what I'm currently hoping for as well...
     
  11. Skeletaure

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    Agreed. However, since we don't know if she change the plumbing or not, this resolves nothing.
     
  12. Averis

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    If I were to write Tonks into a story of my own (which may happen at some point) I would paint her as a spoiled bitch who rests on her laurels because she made it through Auror training based on her Metamorphamagus abilities.

    This way, she is only attracted to Harry post-Sirius' death when she realizes that he is extremely wealthy and the only way she can get (what she feels is) her rightful portion of the Black Family's Wealth.

    However, Harry realizes that she is out for his money but keeps her around for his own selfish desires -- after all, she is using her Metamorph skills in order to keep him enthralled.

    And I always thought that in a battle situation it would be easy for Tonks to just become a very small or very large target in order to influence the Death Eater's battle decisions when they are attacking her. This is why both the Auror force and the Order of the Phoenix need her (and she knows it).

    For example:

    Tonks swished her wand and sent a rock flying at the nearest Death Eater, who rolled to the side to avoid it, knocking over one his own masked comrades. A green light was quickly approaching from the right and she dove for the cover of the trees, scraping her left shoulder and coming to a stop unceremoniously in front of Harry. She tried to get up but he pushed her back down and brought his lips closer to her ear, whispering.

    "Transform into Hagrid's size and then flank them. They'll think that reinforcements have arrived. It's too dark for them to really get a look at us, so I'll just keep firing off a lot of spells and making a lot of noise. You surprise them."

    Or something like that.
     
  13. Perspicacity

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    There's still a few of us kicking around. I'm doing NaNo this month on a Dark!Harry crossover and have my Harry/Molly to finish off (it's midway through chapter 5 of a 6 chapter story). After they're complete, which should be in Dec., I should be ready to begin another project. While I'm leaning toward a D&R sequel or another story idea (the most recent crossover concept I've discussed on another site), I could be convinced to pick up a Harry/Tonks if a compelling enough idea strikes.

    If I were to write one, I'm thinking a morally ambiguous spy thriller set post-Hogwarts. It'd have an Unspeakable Harry and an Auror Tonks teaming (and sometimes not) against a nefarious threat with the potential to unsettle Wizarding society entirely--not a big baddie Voldemort clone, but something else, more elemental to society as a whole. I've not done a proper spy piece and I don't think I know of any I'd consider great within the HP fandom. This is a setting in search of a story, though--not enough to write.

    Regarding the more traditional Honks: the 6 or 7 year age gap strains credulity with a teenage Harry unless it's bridged by making Tonks pathetic; Summer of Change was about the best compromise one could hope for, but Lorddwar went pretty far OOC with Harry. I wouldn't attempt such a story (heck, I had trouble in D&R with the 3+ years between Harry and Fleur and violated Potter Law by cheating the Time Turner thing). Besides, I'm tired of writing high school fics.
     
  14. Innomine

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    Something similar to Heather Sinclair's Gentlemen Usher perhaps? That story was probably the best post-school!Harry i've ever seen written.

    I'd be very interested in it, very very interested.
     
  15. psihary

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    I really can't see your story, to be written in the future, make it over 10k words especially if the plot is based on that idea. Unless, of course, you do make it a 5k smut, which by the way you wrote it seems like you just might do. Then you'll eventually get up to 15k words...
    Because of some reason when I read your post I had a feeling of reading plot idea written by a Weasley hater who does describe in a fine long paragraph, in the first chapter, how HP over hears how his friends have been paid to spy on him and Ginny is for sure his wife to be, as promised by Dumbledore.

    "Operation 'Human shield'..." South park... anyone? Anyone?


    You read that Perspicacity? If anyone manages to write anything as good as Sinclair's story... AND actually make it up to the end but not leave it half way through... gets on my newly created Christmas cards list...

    I kind of dislike post Hogwarts stories on the general principle that they always have the feel of being too AU, and unless it is a really good story (as the aforementioned Sinclair's story) I tend not to read them.

    I've being craving for a story where HP is convicted of a murder under some circumstances(and I don't mean going into dark or insane Harry... an incident or a setup... but still he does commit the murder). He goes into hiding or simply is on the run, to avoid being sent to Azkaban.
    Tonks as being on the crime scene as his guard is a suspect as well (or she does kill, not really intended but still in the fight causes fatal injury to another Auror or guard while trying to protect HP... and unlike most of the stories where the corpses are count in dozens and apparently no one really cares, a murder is punished by prison unless the circumstances are indeed point to self-defense).

    Tonks' involvement in the story is justified with her knowledge of Aurors' procedures so they could both keep away from the search parties

    Trying to convince the public of their innocence, political fights and meanwhile HP takes on the task to fight with the big bad Dark Lord from the underground...

    It does sound just as interesting as the other 10k stories on ffnet but then if written right and features a good political fighting Harry, the story might just make it in the esteemed DLP library... I guess....

    A relationship between the two could work out, despite the age gap, if they are forced to spend enough time together and throughout the inevitable ordeals from such a plot (and the lack of touch with characters like Ron) Harry's character matures enough. Of course that said, an actual pairing between the two would take quite some time and length of the story to form properly.
     
  16. Averis

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    I fail to see how Weasley hating has anything to do with a spoiled Tonks, and I resent the insinuation that I would ever write 15k words of pure smut. By the way, am I fucking JBern or something? Everything you said came straight out of Bungle in the Jungle. Also, I'm pretty sure I made absolutely no mention of Ginny here.

    The only reason I would write Nymphadora as a spoiled bitch would be to shit in the face of all of the stories where she is loyal and dedicated to Harry just because he is Sirius' godson, or because she is a member of the Order of the Phoenix, or because he is so fucking handsome at the age of 14. Besides, why can't a female in the Harry Potter Universe be just as a shiesty and greedy as the women in ours?
     
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    Probably the same reason that anyone who's described as extraordinarily attractive has to be a frigid bitch with a hint of sweetness buried deep within - which is to say, for no reason at all.

    I support the 'greedy bitch Nymphadora' movement.
     
  18. Mindless

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    Why would I want to read a story where I hate the characters? Averis, if you wrote exactly what you described, it would suck because everyone would want to punch the characters in the face. Doesn't make for a fun ride. You just hang on waiting for your chance to throw up on the guy next to you.

    Edit: Sour Kraut got it perfectly. I do like realistic, flawed characters, yes. But there's a difference between a character flaw and character that is a flaw.
     
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  19. Averis

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    I personally like reading about characters with flaws. Everyone complains about Mary-Sues, and they are annoying, but Fanfiction is usually not a place where you find a lot of character development. So, when I see something out of the ordinary in Fanfiction I enjoy it. For example, Narcissa has a leather fetish in a story a put in For Review.

    Anyway, why wouldn't you want to read about a Harry that takes advantage of the women around him? Or a Nymphadora that is an ambitious and bitchy older woman who wants to get rich quick? A gold-digger if you will. I think it would make for much lulz.

    And most of you phags clamour for Harry/Tonks action so I come up with something like "Auror beats Harry off under his covers the summer before HBP" to make you laugh, but when you get a possible plot that is believeable you frown on it. For shame! I only wish to provide you with Honks!
     
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  20. The Sour Kraut

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    I agree there. 6 years isn't that much when you're, say, 23 and 29 or 35 and 41, especially for wizards with a much higher life span. But when it comes to teenagers it is a hugh difference.
    That's not to say I wouldn't read such a fic again, but the author would have to address this fact and, sadly, most do it like Percy said, by making Tonks pathetic.
    Tonks finding Harry oh so handsome and whatnot is a big no. He's fifteen, so he better had something else going for him.

    I once outlined a 6th/7th year Honks story, but it never made it past the second chapter. Maybe I'll look for my notes and post a challenge.
    Harry had a good relationship with Dumbledore in it, albeit strained at times. Fudge didn't lose his job and issued a state of war over Britain to keep his power. Harry killed Voldemort in 6th year, which ironically wasn't recognised by the ministry, who again told everyone he was lying.
    7th year was all about the resulting civil war and the struggle to destroy the shadow cabinet left over from Voldemort's reign.

    EDIT:
    Because when I want pure lulz, I go read a humour fic. An adventure fic with this main characters would suck. (With the possible exception of an author who can explore such a mindset and still make the characters somehow likeable, but I don't see that anytime soon and it wouldn't work if you write it "for teh lulz".)
     
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