If you believe Harry is an average Wizard, then continue to do so. I'm certain most of this thread would not agree.

There are too many examples of Harry showing flashes of brilliance and talent to believe he is an average Wizard.

 

YOU LACK READING COMPREHENSION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

literally everyone in this thread agrees.

who lacks reeeeeeading comprehension now?

 

Agrees with what?

Harry having impressive reflexes and being a fairly talented Wizard? Very few people on this thread disagreed.

The only ones who disagreed were people who thought Harry is completely average, or thought I was comparing him to Dumbledore and Voldemort.

Both cases show a lack of reading comprehension, since I clearly stated several pages ago that Harry will never be as talented as Dumbledore; and Harry is clearly shown as a talented Wizard throughout the series.

The problem is not only a lack of reading comprehension, but also subtlety. Either Harry is completely average or the greatest Wizard of all time. He's neither.


Harry is a talented Wizard, above average in most subjects, a prodigy in DADA, with impressive reflexes.

He is a talented teacher, investigator, and leader.

Is he the greatest at any of these things? No. But he is fairly talented, has an impressive resume, and nothing to be ashamed of.

 

As entertaining as this derail is, I can't fathom why you keep arguing @AmerigoCorleone when it would have been graceful to admit defeat two pages ago rather than insist that everyone else lacks reading comprehension.

Also my neat list is clearly the superior conclusion.

 

Your list has most of the characters where I see them.

I'm really just arguing with people who believe Harry is run-of-the-mill average, which he is not.

 

There was a better way to argue your point. Like maybe not calling your detractors retarded and throwing out a couple examples/book quotes that clearly make your case instead of trying to make a big fucking deal out of outrunning a gigantic reptile.

The entire third book makes your point about Harry's advanced grasp of magic. But I guess claiming that a nearsighted scrawny kid would be Da Best Warrior Archer Knight makes more sense...

 

Harry lacks a real motivation to succeed. Hermione is a crutch to solve his problems and Ron was someone who helped him goof off. His greatest feat of magic patronus and a pretty much the entire DA could do so.

So did Harry have potential and talent... yes.. Did he reach his potential while in hogwarts... not even close

 

Hardy obviously had the talent for at least Defense and doesn't seem to be lacking in magical power, or practical ability. By himself, Harry's an above average wizard. In his prime, with the right motivation, he'd probably be close to Bellatrix level. That's ignoring the fact that if need be, he is the master of the Elder wand, so theoretically he's Dumbledore/Voldemort level.

Evidence from books:
-lands cruciatus curse on Bellatrix during 5th year
-able to escape Voldemort during 4th year (demonstrates will with the brother wants and quick thinking/reflexes by dodging and hiding)
-he becomes Head Auror
-is so far ahead in Defenses, or he knows how to cast the magic so well that he can teach 7th years while he's in 5th year


Of course, he obviously never reached his full potential. If I were James or Lily, I'd be disappointed.

 

Not the goddamned Hardly boys again...

 

Hoooo boy.


First we have:

But then we have:

Wait, or was that just hyperbole?

What he did is literally impossible by vanilla (athletic) humans. See above my point re: fookin' magic.

So if a wizard is dropped from the second story and bounces...is that their superior athletic ability on show or fookin' magic? And their mental abilities, is this the demographic that as a whole is greatly lacking in logic? I will cede that for Magicals, logic is not so much of an important ability, but many of these same people can't even manage a shield charm.

Ima need a source on this.


Look, honestly, I'm on Team Harry. I'm all for a Harry that kicks arse and takes names, but he didn't quite do that in canon. He achieved great things, and he was certainly a greater wizard that many of his school mates, but he isn't Wizard John Wick. Plot bunny thread, here I come.

It's just, you make it so hard to do anything but slap your arguments down.


In other news, hot damn multi quote ftw.

 

Wizards are inherently superior - Durability, Reflexes, Strength, etc, BECAUSE they have Magic in their blood.

And Harry certainly was impressive in Canon when you take into consideration that he is an untrained teenager. Hermione is the clearest example - She is a Mary sue, yet during the Battle of Hogwarts, she couldn't lay a single scratch on Bellatrix, despite having help from Luna, Ginny, and Harry's blood sacrifice.

Harry Potter mimics real life in this regard. Michael Jordan, Ken Griffey Jr, Tom Brady, etc. All excellent sportsman, but at the tender of 17, they were little more than potential.

The confusion I believe many have is trying to place a black and white view on the subject - Either Harry is Percy Jackson who defeats Gods, without training; or he's Frodo, completely average and plain.

Harry is neither. He is in the top 1% in talent and skill, but will never reach the upper echelons with Dumbledore, Merlin, etc.

Harry will mostly be remembered for other abilities that were enhanced by Magic: Leadership, Willpower, Courage, etc.

He is a talented Wizard with world-class reflexes and other abilities: Leadership, Teaching, Administration, etc.

He has nothing to be ashamed of.

 

AmerigoCorleone said that the confusion he believes many are trying to place a black and white view on the subject - Either Harry is Percy Jackson who defeats Gods, without training; or he's Frodo, completely average and plain.

Harry is neither. He is in the top 1% in talent and skill, but will never reach the upper echelons with Dumbledore, Merlin, etc.

And I completely agree with him. From what I read in this thread, I'm not the only one.

But still, I'm confused towards the part of Magic enchanted abilities, any info on that?

 

Except for all that hands on experience he has been getting since he was like 11.

S-s-s-shifting goalposts!

Literally none of those attributes were affected by Harry's magic.

I'm going to be pedantic here and point out that we didn't have nearly large enough sample size to make those sort of claims.

So basically Harry is a paperwork ninja?

To be clear here, you're saying that Dumbledore and Merlin are the 1%ers to the 1%ers?

OCCUPY HOGWARTS​

I'm afraid I can't recall saying anything along these lines.

Look, you seem to be very keen on giving Harry a sloppy blowjob. I just want to keep things platonic, maybe slip in a sneaky hand job now and then.

I think he's talking about the apparently higher baseline of physical durability that Magicals have - they can take a Bludger to the skull and walk it off, and there's the example of Neville bouncing when he was dropped out a second story window.

 

I mean professional training, it wasn't until after the war ended that Harry had the opportunity to truly focus on Magic, and received the standard Auror training, etc.

And I like that Harry grows up to be an intelligent, well-rounded Wizard, with top-notch leaderships abilities, teaching skills, and statesman.

It's so very different from the usual Percy Jackson/Goku trope of powerful brutes that can't even tie their shoes straight.

There is a reason why Harry Potter, the character, is the most written about individual in all of fanfiction . It's because he is more than just a stupid brute, he's an intelligent individual who grew up to be a capable politician.

Something you rarely see, like if Batman became the Mayor of Gotham City.

 

I don't think we have any primary sources on Harry's ability as a politician.

But come on man, I like HP and all, but you can't compare the guy to the Goddam Batman.

 

Well, I'm not saying he's a mastermind politician, but he was promoted as the youngest Head of the Aurors (Wizard FBI), managed to do well enough for a decade and received another promotion as the Head of Law Enforcement (FBI, SWAT, CIA, etc). So, it is likely that he is more than capable.

I actually think Harry Potter and Batman is a perfect comparison, though Harry actually succeeded in rooting out much of the corruption as both an enforcer and politician (JK Rowling confirmed).

Batman left the politics to others, mostly.

 

Which part? Harry was the Head of the Auror Division. Harry did become the Head of the DMLE. Harry did help root out corruption in the Ministry. These are Facts of Canon.

So, I'm confused as to why you even responded?