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HP Age of Consent

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Silens Cursor, Dec 13, 2010.

  1. Celestin

    Celestin Dimensional Trunk

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    It seems they changed his year of birth to 1929. By the way where did they find these dates?

    Makani is one of the best artist in HP fandom. It's shame she is fixed on a bad guys instead of on Harry and his cool fanfiction adventures. :)
     
  2. coleam

    coleam Death Eater

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    Of course, this then causes all sorts of problems with Bellatrix's granddad (Pollux). According to the current family tree, HE was 13 when Walburga (Sirius's mum/Bella's auntie) was born and 17 when Cygnus was born. What really needs to be done is to push back the dates of birth for Phineas Nigellus's kids (and their kids too) about 10 years (he was apparently 30 when the first was born). That would probably solve most of the age issues.
     
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  3. Republic

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    The longer lifespan of a wizard counts as a pro or a con in such a case?
     
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    Wizards may last an eon, but they seem to only reproduce within a narrow window between puberty and 2x the start.

    Exceptions are the Weasleys (I suspect the Prewett family has special charms for this) and James Potters' parents, who were anecdotally late parents, 'which is why they doted on James'. That's a JKR assertion, not fanon.
     
  5. DarthBill

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    I seriously doubt that the wizarding world answers to the muggle one. Sure there are plenty of fics that have Harry appeal to the Queen to pull some "Royal Wizard" crap out of her ass, but realistically, that seems like quite a stretch.

    The wizarding world also seems to be quite a bit behind the muggle one in terms of legal protection laws, so I doubt there even is an age of consent, or, if there is, it only applies to young girls or something.

    In the original post, I got the impression that you might not have been talking just about legality, but whether it was wrong or not. If that's the case, get over it. 15 is plenty old enough to get it on, and the age of the partner really shouldn't make a difference. Of course, the older the partner, the harder it would to be to make a lasting, loving relationship, but why the hell would he want one of those with someone who's going to be old enough to be a grandmother when he's still in his prime?

    Edit @ wordhammer: That's bullshit. JKR just made that shit up to make up for not concidering the ramification of an extended lifetime on the reproductive system.
     
  6. Tenages

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    I think when wordhammer spoke of a JKR assertion, he was talking about JP's parents being elderly. The reproductive window was his own conclusion drawn from book evidence.
     
  7. wordhammer

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    Yeah, sorry for the confusion. JKR said the elder Potters had James late and thus doted on him. I suspect that was a dodge to explain why the elder Potters were already dead despite their only son dying at 21. Still, for them to die in their sixties or so is suspicious as well. DarthBill has the right of it in this: JKR didn't think it through.
     
  8. b0b3rt

    b0b3rt Backtraced

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    JKR just killed them all of as a convenient excuse to send Harry to the Dursley's - you don't really need to look for a reason beyond that. To be fair, at the time that JKR was writing the first book, she probably had no clue how the rest of the series was going to play out...
     
  9. Skeletaure

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    It makes sense that wizards would have the same reproductive window as Muggles - at least so far as the women are concerned. A girl is born with a certain number of follicles which may potentially grow into an ovum. Once they've run out, they've run out.

    There's nothing in canon to suggest that wizards are biologically different to Muggles - just magically different.

    On topic: with respect to the legal age of consent, I'm fine with accepting that the wizarding world uses 17. I'm not too keen on the idea that wizards have Victorian sensibilities or culture. It seems to me that this is inspired almost solely by fanon and clothing trends. It's certainly not the case that they share Victorian attitudes towards issues of gender: there appears to be no sexual discrimination in the wizarding world (which makes sense, as there doesn't appear to be any magical discrepancy between the sexes). Nor does there appear to be any racism (with respect to skin colour, ethnicity, etc.).
     
  10. DarthBill

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    I think the lack of racism or sexism is probably due more to Rowling bitching out than any lack there of. I have always concidered the wizarding world as some sort of Victorian ere throwback, not because of the dress sense, but because they were willing, and allowed, to libel the crap out of an underage boy, and then try him with the full power of the courts to try to shut him up.

    Also, just because the witches are any different than a muggle biologically, it doesn't mean that they couldn't last longer until menopause. Maybe their menstral cycles take longer, or something.

    Edit vv: If you are arguing with me about racism in HP, then canon won't help you, since my point was that the only reason there is no evidence of it in the books is because Rowling wasn't brave enough to address it.
     
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    Seems that the only form of 'racism' that is seen in the HP books is blood-status/'human' status: there are students of multiple ethnicities at Hogwarts, and no one seems to give a crap about that.

    (Then again, blood purists are morons! Example A, Pansy Parkinson; pug-faced and pure-blooded bitch. Example B, Fleur Delacour, veela/part veela, shaggable to boot. I rest my case).

    Amongst the Death-Eaters, though, not sure if there's a non-white one mentioned, but since the pure-blood families (and thus a majority of Voldemort's supporters) are very old and are seemingly limited to the isles, it sort of makes sense.

    It was only when the slave trade began that significant numbers of 'black' people were seen/had settled in the UK, if I remember right. Before that, it was apparently pretty rare.
     
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    Giving birth was, at one time, a leading cause of death... for women.

    Not so much for the men, unless you were fucking a German man's daughter and happen to be nearly half a century older than her. Impregnating her might cause your sudden and early demise.

    Anyway... Presumably, if witches age better than their muggle counterparts, it would ameliorate some of the dangers/complications of pregnancy and childbirth past middle age. As long as the egg supply lasts, they could still bear children... They are born with quite a few eggs, after all.

    Then you've got your pseudo-immortals, like the Flamels. Immortals that can breed break the balance of nature; it's one of the reasons dementors piss off anyone who can think past their nose. Female immortals, however, eventually run out of eggs.

    I could see someone in Perenelle's position finding a potion that actually holds off ovulation entirely, so as to ration their supply.

    But this is getting a bit far afield of the original topic.
     
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    Their menstrual cycles taking longer would in fact make them different biologically. Just saying.
     
  14. Blazzano

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    Perhaps a witch's magic preserves more of the potential egg cells than a Muggle would and/or is capable of delaying the hormonal changes of menopause, thus prolonging the fertile period. Human females are born with many more eggs than they ever use in their menstrual cycle.

    But in any case, the usual kludge ("it's magic") is apt here. Also applicable is the other kludge: "It's Rowling." :awesome
     
  15. Jormungandr

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    That'd explain the canon romances.

    Just sayin'. :awesome