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HP Warhammer 40k crossover ideas

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by eviloply90, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. Tehan

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  2. Pyromaniac

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    Come children, let Grandfather Nurgle embrace you.

    Hmmm, we could have the 4 founders worship different Chaos Gods, and Merlin (if included) follow Chaos Undivided.

    Gryffindor/Khorne
    Hufflepuff/Slaanesh
    Ravenclaw/Tzeench
    Slytherin/Nurgle
     
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    Nah, you've got that the wrong way entirely.

    Gryffindor would be a Khornite, at a stretch, since his house is based on courage and nobility, which doesn't really mesh well with mindless slaughter.
    Hufflepuff would take Nurgle (since he 'loves' his children and 'rewards' them with mutations, so he values loyalty).
    Ravenclaw would be followers of Slaanesh, because their focus is on knowledge, which She Who Thirsts is wholly capable of giving...
    Finally, Slytherin would be the followers of Tzeentch, the God of the Xanatos Gambit and overall very ambitious chap.
     
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    It's really rather interesting how well those match up.
     
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    Yeah, though when you're working with such broad concepts as courage, ambition and loyalty there's bound to be a whole load of Gods that would cover them. But yeah, it could inspire some pretty decent stories if the whole Daemons in the Warp didn't introduce such a large spanner to the works.

    Then again, if you went the route of the Wizarding World being an early experiment into harnessing the powers of the Warp, but failing due to a high likelihood of powerful wizards falling to the tainted nature of Chaos (even if they don't realise it) you could possibly make a go of it, but then you've still got the fucking Emperor being his badass self to take any actual threat.
     
  6. Tehan

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    Oh you did not align Slaafuckingnesh with knowledge while giving Tzeentch a bunch of ambitious, greedy assholes. You did not.
     
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    We're not assigning the HP series characters to this so much as the concepts that the houses are founded on. After all, the fundamental principles that Slytherin is based on are cunning and ambition, which describe Tzeentch to the tee. If anything, blame JKR for completely failing to portray any Slytherin as even vaguely ambitious. Hell, Pansy Fucking Parkinson is the only one I can think of that has displayed any ounce of ambition in the way she clung to Malfoy like a leech in order to raise her social status (The Epilogue did not happen and nobody would ever willingly fuck the guy).
     
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    Also, Ravenclaw is full of skanks.
     
  9. Tehan

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    Ravenclaws are not cunning, they're knowledgeable. They don't want knowledge for their ambition, they want it for it's own sake. That's Tzeentch as all get out.

    As for the ambitious Slytherins... I shall read from the Seventh Codex of the Daemons of Chaos:

     
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    Hm.

    Gryffindor: Slaanesh
    Ravenclaw: Tzneetch
    Slytherin: Khornate
    Hufflepuff: Nurgle
     
  11. Moloch

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    Me thinks you need to google warhammer a bit more.
     
  12. Twisted

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    I have one thing to say about a crossover like this.

    DIFFICULT, TO BE SURE. BUT IT SHALL. BE. SO.

    <3 Chaplain.
     
  13. Hashasheen

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    Not really, I know and breath Warhammer 40K. I'm posing a challenge to myself (not mentioned, but whatever.) It's an interesting thought experiment.
     
  14. Tehan

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    Justification plz.
     
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    I still stand by my original "pairings," so I guess I'll justify:

    Gryffindor/Khorne--Courage and Bravery taken to their extremes very easily lead to daredevilry, and said daredevilry during battle can very easily become bloodlust. On a less metaphysical note, Khorne's color is red.

    Hufflepuff/Slaanesh--Loyalty and hard work taken to excess: followers see the god as their lover, blindly submit to (s)he, and do everything they can to make their kills as intricate as possible to please said god.

    Ravenclaw/Tzeench--Intelligence is the #1 Ravenclaw trait, and the desire for knowledge above all can quite easily lead to a corrupt, police state. The constantly controlled change enables Tzeench to lead events in which ever way he might desire, much as would the rulers of a police state--the changing wars in 1984, for example, or the new and increasingly complicated games in Brave New World. Again on a less metaphysical note, Tzeench can be represented as a bird with multicolored feathers, and his seal is often blue in color.

    Slytherin/Nurgle--While the ideals of Slytherin house are technically cunning and ambition, what is seen in canon is the blind desire to hold onto as much power as possible, leading to the stagnation and decay of the Wizarding world. Nurgle himself is personified by disease, entropy, stagnation, and decay. In addition, his followers see themselves as one big family, and it's strongly alluded to that the pureblood families are more than a little bit inbred. Finally, his color is green.
     
  16. Tehan

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    One, you're making the classic newbie mistake - mixing up the personality of the Chaos Gods with the spheres said Gods control and gain power from. Khorne is bloodlust, Tzeentch is cunning plans, Slaanesh is orgies, Nurgle is disease. Uh-huh. Bullshit. Chaos gods aren't nearly that single-faceted. Khorne is also martial prowess and honourable battle. Tzeentch is also change, intelligence, and magic. Slaanesh is also pleasure, pride, and perfectionism. Nurgle is also love and endurance.

    Two, neither Slaanesh nor Hufflepuffs are connected with murder. That's more Khorne's thing, or the Dark Elven take on Khaine. Why you specified Hufflepuff worshipping Slaanesh with intricate murder, I've no idea.

    Three, the desire for knowledge leads to corrupt police states? I don't even know where to fucking start with that. And 1984 is Nurglite as hell, while Brave New World was equally Slaaneshi.

    You fail 40k lore forever.
     
  17. eviloply90

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    wow an idea has turned into a full blown discusion anyhow i am taking all the ideas into consideration but first i must retreat to the shadows of (insert sutable daemon planet here) because of negative feedback from my earlyer fic but the set in stone details are chaos harry, harryxdemonoc i need some ideas about which god he should worship or if he should go undevided i think an epic battle between a human harry and a rival demon prince that is more powerfull than harry should cement the fact that harry is not invincible has well anyhow lets get craking any ideas i absorb shall be credited in the fic ill try my best to do both IPs justice
     
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    My knowledge in Chaos lacks scope, since I focus largely on Imperial Guard and Cain as my literature. However, it seems that trying to forcibly fit the Ruinous Powers into the four houses at Hogwarts is too narrow for compatibility. It's like saying everyone in Ravenclaw fits the characterization perfectly. In terms of scale, individual Ravenclaw student fits into a small segment of House Ravenclaw, and the house itself may fit into a tiny segment of one or more of the Ruinous Powers.

    Speaking of scale, I find the idea of the crossover itself to be hard to swallow. Say what you want, but 40k does things on the epic level. Worlds are consumed/Exterminatus-ed/eaten, people die regularly in the billions, and there's always that funny little concept that death is the good end you can hope for. The HP universe is lacking in that regard. The conflict is centralized (in Britain), the number of people is limited (most conflicts occur within student body of Hogwarts), and it's hard for anybody in HP to deliver badass lines in the face of doom (might be a few, there's definitely no Cain or Gaunt).

    If this must be done, I'd suggest scrapping the idea of bringing in the 40k universe as a whole. The entirety of 40k makes HP look like a spat between children. Instead, HP can possibly bring in elements of 40k to buffer lacking areas. For example, instead of the whole Horcrux-invulnerability thing, perhaps Voldemort's immortality is linked to the warp? Instead of full blown Space Marines, we get toned down magical armor that grants limited but useful physical additions?

    Other problems are present as well. There's always the topic of people dying, since 40k is big on Kill 'Em All scenarios, but HP doesn't have enough people to randomly kill off without resorting to OCs. The Psyker vs. Wizard issue, as in specifically where to draw the line between hard and soft science. 40k is also relatively anchored in realistic settings, so how does that interplay with HP being a fantasy setting?
     
  19. Zombie

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    You could use 40k in an entirely AU HP Universe. Change history first, and then integrate. HP can be made as realistic as you want it to be, just as 40k can be made as fantastical as you want it to be. I would argue that 40k is more versatile in the long run, but HP can be changed enough.

    The issues that arise from something like the above is that you could turn out with a Second Chance at Life type setting that has mated with Wastelands of Time. In some cases you're entirely to vague, and in others you're using useless detail to fill in for lack of actual plot. A happy medium isn't entirely difficult to achieve. You align your key players with the appropriate 40k fix up, change the world just enough that everything mentioned would work, and should you incorporate a new aspect to the HP world you're creating, have accurate, succinct detailing to provide support for your story. All the while maintaining the identity of the HP Universe Characters.

    Way to many people fail at keeping a character even remotely incharacter. OCness is bound to happen, but atleast, should it happen, let it happen with a plausible eventuality. Nothing entirely to complex that you have to spend the next forty chapters explaining. Just something thats there, maybe at the start, and then go with it.

    However, within 40k stories, I've seen, along with the HP Universe to many fucking stories that utilize the whole meddling gods aspect. Thats' so fucking annoying.

    The only major failing to this entire idea is thus: Is there someone out there actually capable of pulling this off? I mean, sure there are some talented writers, but as Tehan has pointed out, and others have failed to recognize, you need to know your lore, to be able to do anything worth reading. If you fuck up on the smaller details, the small things that make the 40k universe what it is, then you're going to have a fail story from the start.

    Its not longer about crossovers, its all about the melding of data in such a way that it comes off as wholly appealing to everyone that reads it. Not just a fanservice, but an actual work that has meaning, plot, and a lingering aftertaste that keeps screaming more.
     
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