:facepalm

Of course it is - have you never seen an episode of X-Men?!!?

 

I always believed mutants were simply, evolutionary progress from wizards. THey both share the same source of energy for their powers ,simply express them differently. SO all mutants are just very gift squibs.

 

This could work with Dumbledore against Voldemort, but it would need some tweaks.

1. Magic can no longer stay concealed. This is the big turning point. The idea has been covered in a number of stories, but the basic jist is some wizardry is caught on tape, so the world knows something is up.

2. Voldemort isn't insane. A rational, persuasive Tom Riddle, having suffered years of abuse, seeks to protect all magicals against the tyranny of muggles. Centaurs, giants, and just about every other magical creature who is loosing habitat to mankind's encroachment gladly signs up to help push back the endless surge of humanity.

3. Magical society is split. This isn't just purebloods against muggleborns. Dumbledore gets the traditionalists, those who seeks to keep everything as close to how it used to be. Riddle gets those who want change.

4. Crazy escalation. No putzing around with bridges: I'm thinking Morrison's run on new X-Men, where Magneto kills fucking New York.

5. Different rules of war. Magicals try not to kill other magicals. Both sides are trying to make the world a better place, and that doesn't happen if there are dead wizards filling the gutters. Each side is big on taking prisoners, and each side has their own approach to their respective prisoners of war. And a big no no to child soldiers: aftersome catastrophe, both sides agree to only recruit after the age of X, be that 11 or 17.

6. Different Harry backstory. It would be really great if Harry lives with the Durselys, and is forced to choose between the good guys and the right guys. But he needs to be important, and he needs to have lost his parents because of Riddle. A prophecy about who would win the war caused both Riddle and Dumbledore to seek out a baby Harry, and in the chaos of the battle, both Lily and James die, maybe? Something like that.

7. Muggles are a big part of the story. This could be everything from a Wolverine!Granger, to witch burnings(that do the job), to peace meetings and tolerance rallys.

Holy shit, I went on for a while. But this would be very, very awesome to see. Anyone want to volunteer for the job of making the best Crossover since... ever?

 

Wasn't really sold on the idea until now, but that does sound pretty fucking awesome. Someone definitely needs to write this.

 

I'm a little sketchy on this idea, most fanfics I've read where magic isn't concealed have a massive amount of muggle weaponry integrated into the story for wizards to use. Self loading pistols, rifles, etc. And that's really rather lame :\

Witch burnings I think would be good, what do you mean by Wolverine!Granger though?

 

I'd rather see Harry join Tom instead.

 

'Listen up, Green Eyes; i'm going to finish reading this chapter of Hogwarts: A History, gut that annoying shit Weasley for taking the piss out of me after DADA, and then you and i are going to do the mumbo in the broom closet, capiche?'

 

Jesus fucking Christ Wolverine!Granger sounds like the worst thing since AIDS.

 

I have to agree, the example that was given sounds a bit odd.

I think Sirius would be more like Wolverine than Hermione would.

Why is that?

 

@JackSparrow: Nobody would want to use muggle stuff. With traditional wizarding society versus Team Kill the Muggles, neither side would want to stoop that low.

@Kang: Not Wolverine. Sorry. I meant something like the Weapon-X project, except applied to muggleborns. Emotionless killers, taught from whatever scraps of magical texts that could be found, used without hesitation against the enemies of the state.

@Richard: He probably would have to join Tom. In the X-Men, everybody switches sides. Cyclops, Jean Grey, even Xavier was all "Destroy the X-Men' at some point in time. At the end of the day, though, killing 6 billion sentient creatures is not exactly kosher. Harry would either join Tom at the Act 1 break, a third of the way through, and later be redeemed when he figures out muggles are people too, or in the act 2 break, the last third, when he joins the bad guys to kill everybody.

Considering how much I've rambled on about the subject, I guess I should write this story, then...

 

The problem with any 'muggles teaching muggle-born magic' plotline is the timing. Hogwarts doesn't start until age eleven, and that is probably for a reason. It then teaches for seven years, and then Aurors have an extra three years tacked onto that. Lets assume that this entire education is five days a week, and for a total of six hours a day, with two months off for the summer and one over the rest of the the year, even during Auror training - count it as a Uni. This is a total of 12000 hours of training. Assume (again) that only half of this knowledge is useful, ever. Even with a 16/7 workload, (leaving eight hours a day for rest/feeding), this is almost a solid year of training.

So the muggles need to find muggleborns of an acceptable age to work with (presumably younger than eleven, to avoid the Hogwarts letter), and then spend a year training these children. Without wands, as the MoM probably has a way to trace this, depending on how the trace works.
Oh yes, and they wouldn't be taught by competent (for the most part) teachers.

Also, we've seen that you get magically stronger as you get older - remember the complete disbelief that a fifteen year old could produce a corporeal patronus in the courtroom in OotP? That was due to the wizard being young. Whether this is a training thing, or an actual 'power-up' as you get older, it doesn't really matter - adult wizards would be stronger than child wizards.

Also, why Hermione? If she's been trained to kill wizards, she won't be a recognizable character, and the only thing we'll get from her characterization will be the 'shock' value in the reveal. Whereas having canon!Hermione have to choose between wizards and muggles could be another plot point, depending on when your divergence is.

If the muggles were to use magic, I would've thought they'd go with anti-magic. Like in Quazi Joe's Blood Tipped Feather (note, I never actually read past chapter five. Speaking of, I might go give it another go...), the muggles could have a way of working around some magic. Maybe ONLY the unforgivables, but whatever they had, would have to be less useful than magic. Muggles also have guns, and numerical advantage. Giving them a magical advantage as well seems just a bit over the top.

 

With Obliviations, it might be possible to reprogram your prisoners into seeing things from your point of view.

 

Brainwashing at its best.

 

But the muggles wouldn't know about the growth of magic over time. They would simply grab for any possible tool they could use. These killers wouldn't necessarily be effective, but they would definitely exist. I see this as more of a plot point than a major piece of the story. As for muggles fighting back: they shouldn't really be able to fight back. A few wizards could tear any group of muggles to pieces. That doesn't mean a wizard would be any less dead after a sniper round to the skull. Numbers and a willingness to survive at all costs is all the advantage muggles need.

 

Canon Hermione is an authority loving bookworm who feels passionate about the rights of all sentient creatures.

How much tweaking would you really have to do to her character?

A tiny spot of brainwashing, maybe a bit of subtle reprogramming to nudge her in the direction of wanting to annihilate the enemy who seeks to destroy the lives of millions of innocent people... Make certain she doesn't clearly remember any torturous procedures that were performed on her to make her what she is now, and maybe viciously kill off her parents, but in such a way that she is under the impression the wizards did it.

Now she's a magical weapon to be used against magic, she loves the authority figures who are telling her what (as far as she can tell) is obviously the right thing to do, and she still loves being taught all of this new magical stuff... that she's going to be using it as a weapon is immaterial, she just loves learning it. Hell, it works out for her minders, since she's probably the one looking up and researching most of what she ends up learning. "Oh, you brought me an ancient Sumerian tome that has been hidden away for centuries? Thank you! I can't wait to rea- Why, look, this spell is used to make blood explode, how curious."

So there's Hermione: Still happy to learn, still looks to her 'superiors' for guidance, still trying to do what's right, and still a little lacking in self confidence because, no matter how skilled and dangerous she becomes, she's been growing up seeking the approval and praise of her cold, military minders.

And she does have a reason to hate the people who supposedly killed her parents, if you need it.

That's more than a little close to canon!Hermione, while still putting her in a position to fill the desired Weapon-X role.

 

this made me LOL. :awesome

But onto the core goals of the opposing factors and their relation to the canon HP characters. If we went with:
Dumbles=traditionalists and
Tom=progession,
than wouldn't Harry and Hermione join tom with only Rom sticking to Dumbledore?

The way I see it is that both Harry and Hermione were raised muggle so would be more in favor of having the wizarding world integrate with their home world, where as 90% of the purebloods(including the weasleys, with exception to Arthur, and maybe bill and charlie) wanting to keep it the same.

Now while I Ron/Draco combat team vs a Harry/Hermione one is always and interesting spin. I think you would just come right back to a plot similar to canon's.

 

Now I want to read it bad.

 

WOW.

That would be kinda awesome.

I hadn't actually considered twisting the weapon x program at all - a complete brain fart that meant I only thought about the twisting could be done to Hermione instead.

 

^KHA...N!! just got his manhood questioned by one of DLP's confirmed (iirc) females. Heh.

OT: Can't say I know much about X-Men since I stopped reading comic books (about the time Gambit appeared? I was reading a lot of the then-fledgling Image comics and pretty much lost all interest) but in the right hands, an X-men-esque HP plot could be made to to work.

Bobmin tried to make a go of this type of story, but without much forethought other than the incredibly retarded plotline of "wizards look down on mutants and Ron is an anti-mutant racist." I'd read about three chapters when I realized I was about one paragraph away from tearing out my eyes.

Crossovers are a tricky, tricky thing, and while I agree that it'd be interesting to see a ruthless!hardcore!Hermione who not only drank the Kool-Aid but helped make it better, Harry would almost certainly have to fall on the side of the rebels.

Think about it: Unless he's come to believe that all Muggles are like the Dursleys and deserve to be wiped out, the traits of canon!Harry would not let him be party to any unjustified murder of Muggles, especially civilian ones. Not that most here are advocating either side is that way, but I could definitely see a Muggle-raised Harry wanting to use the incredible power of magic to make life easier for the non-magical world.

ASIDE: And frankly, I always wondered why, in canon, the subject of using magic to help the world's most unfortunate was never brought up after Hagrid's first meeting with Harry. Not once did Hermione - the supposed conscience of the series - bring up using magic to lessen the suffering in, say, sub-Saharan Africa. Just sayin'.

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I had a plot sketched out here but upon re-reading what I'd written, I realized it was little more than the standard indy!Harry plot:

Initially, naive!Harry is with D'dore's side under D'dore's tutelage, then -
loses faith in them over [insert contrivance here], then -
joins Riddle's side and Riddle becaomes Harry's mentor, then -
Harry discovers that (gasp!) Riddle killed the Potters, then -
our hero breaks with Riddle, managing to injure Riddle but very nearly dying himself, then -
Harry sets out to make a third faction in this war, then -
climactic climax, wherein a Harry-Riddle-Dumbledore Mexican Standoff results in Riddle's death, then -
???

... so I deleted that shit and just put in that synopsis of a crap-tastic load of fail to prove to myself that yes, I can recognize a shitty cliche when I see one.