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If Harry Potter was The Villain

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Celestin, Aug 30, 2015.

  1. Celestin

    Celestin Dimensional Trunk

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    Surprisingly enough there aren't many (good) fics where Harry is a proper villain. Maybe something written from different perspectives than his own, where people slowly realize that this quiet boy is just as evil as Voldemort as mysterious accidents happen to anyone who angers him.

    The only person who can do something about him before he's too powerful is Albus, but he can't before the Boy Who Lived defeats the Dark Lord. He believes that it may be a connection to Voldemort that made Harry this way and without it he may change.

    He is wrong.
     
  2. Persephone

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    What I wouldn't give for an evil!Harry fic that doesn't make him a Tom Riddle knockoff. He always comes to Hogwarts acting like he's fifty and intent on taking over the Slytherin house. He hates muggles and Dumbledore. And for whatever reason these fics always have him and Voldemort screwing. That's pathetically uncreative.

    I'd be interested in reading a fic where Harry is like Mary Bell; he kills/harms others for enjoyment and never shows any remorse BUT he is smart and has self control. Fanfic authors never want Harry to be evil and they always give him redeeming qualities and justify his actions. Just give me a Harry who doesn't care that he's evil.
     
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  3. Chengar Qordath

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    Well, the problem with most villain Harry stories is that he's either Voldemort 2.0 or the characters and setting are all radically different to make Harry's turn to evil justified: stuff like the Dursleys regularly beating and/or sexually abusing Harry so that his Muggle-hate is sympathetic and Dumbledore is evil for putting him in that household. Or the EvilHarry story is just blood-soaked wish-fulfillment.
     
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    Harry going around and murking bullies would probably fit his canon character the best. That was essentially the archetype of all his nemeses.
     
  5. Richard

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    I'd love to read a good Harry is similar to Dexter in some way. I know there's 1 or 2 here on DLP. There just aren't enough good ones on FFNet.
     
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    I don't get some of you people. Why would anyone want to read a story where the protagonist is evil? The protagonist is supposed to be the good guy. Can someone explain to me this desire for Evil!Harry?
     
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  8. Richard

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    The Sith give out cookies. And the Jedi give out cake! And well all know the cake's a lie!
     
  9. MoltenCheese

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    And the Sith have a much more awesome code than the Jedi.
     
  10. Richard

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    Aye! Too bad there's not enough Sith Harry stories.
     
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    A protagonist doesn't have to be a good guy.

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  12. someone010101

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    Something different? And a desire to see the [fictional] world burn?
     
  13. Atram Noctem

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    Never seen "Don't Deliver Us From Evil", have you?
     
  14. Joe's Nemesis

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    Wait, you're asking that question on the DARK LORD POTTER forums?
     
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    Says who?

    I myself don't care for Evil!Harry, but I'd read a Voldemort-centric story.
     
  16. afrojack

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    I don't know if the trend began with Paradise Lost, but that's where we get the phrase, "Evil, be thou my Good," which I think is the idea behind a lot of what happens in Evil!Harry fiction.

    Namely, that when one is being forced to operate within, or obey the rules of, a society he considers to be unjust, and that society perpetuates its oppression under the label of "good," he must then turn to "evil" as a form of resistance against a sometimes indomitable force, simply because he would rather have rebellion and death than life and oppression.

    This would usually occur in some kind of either utopian or dystopian world of extremes.

    Or, I guess, expanding in that direction, there is also the idea that constructs representing conventional "good" are illusory and ultimately or, again, needlessly oppressive or restrictive, that they are (at least somewhat) contrived as a way of keeping people where the architects of any given system feel they should be, and that the 'evil' perpetrated by mankind is actually something more akin to what we really are, reveling in a kind of hedonistic celebration of violence and might-makes-right politicking. This would be similar to the paradigm of Lord of the Flies.
     
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    If Harry is to be the villain I reckon it should come from him being spiteful and bitter. You know like the kind of person who due to being bullied at school (Dudley etc) never really has friends and never really learns how to get along with people. Then gets all spiteful and lashes out at people he dosnt like and holds grudges against them. It sorta makes sense given his background and it can start out in a suitably childish and immature way, and grow into a more serious and dark thing. He dosnt have to start out like a manipulative sarcastic sociopath like you see in a lot of dark Harry stories.
     
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    That could actually be quite cool. So he comes to Hogwarts never really having had friends, not trusting people. He rejects Ron's offer of friendship because he thinks its a trick. He isolates himself at Hogwarts, had unfriendly rivalries all round. His relationship with Malfoy is sour because he still rejected Malfoy's handshake, and his relationship with Ron is akin to his relationship with Malfoy. He probably made some horrid comments to Hermione early in first year that she never forgives him for, and has other negative relationships of various sorts.

    As the years go by, things start to go downhill. His rivalries with Ron and Malfoy grow more and more bitter. Maybe he has a different sort of rivalry with Hermione in more academic pursuits. And eventually he gives in to the temptation to curse her so he's able to do better than her, and eventually his back and forth of prank style spells with Ron and Malfoy turn into outright curses and even subtle attempts to kill. All from school boy rivalries that have just grown out of control of the course of a few years.

    What could be really interesting is if this Harry was still a Gryffindor. The sorting hat might say something like "The courage to stand on your own two feet, the bravery to forge your own path...etc etc".
     
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    Well don't fucking stop now, keep writing. I think you have a good idea and some words to write, Sir.
     
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    I don't know why, but reading this made me very uncomfortable. Perhaps you've hit a bit too close to home.

    Anyway, write more of this!
     
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