Stojil, this is a very simple plan. The Knights target Ashaya for purification. If she's a Denarian, hey presto, she becomes town! If she's not a Denarian, the Knights lose one night's Denarian hunting. That's it.

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I think she's a Denarian because that's what the evidence I had pointed to. I may be wrong, of course, but going into it I was fairly convinced I was right. The worst possible outcome of this is the Knights lose a day's real Denarian hunting.

Hell, if Ashaya's telling the truth we basically have a point and click nightkill for any role we need to kill. Stojil would just have to NK her and she'd use her protection piercing kill to hit the normally immune role.

 

I still don't get this she's a denarian or town belief. Stojil definitely shouldn't night kill her tonight considering but I think its dangerous to assume that she's town if the knights determine she's not a denarian. In terms of coming forward zen should be able to verify the result as neither a red king or erlling kill can happen tonight.

 

Stojil: Check your QT.

 

That's not so simple, Aekiel.

Let's say she's another faction of scum, which you can't really exclude.

The Knights cleanse her and nothing happens. They know and Ashaya knows. We don't. What happens then?

1) Ashaya says "I told you! I'm Marcone!"
2) Ashaya says "Hey guys! I've been purified! I'm on your side now!"

In case 1, I will have to kill her the next night, right? If she's the Red King she will probably kill someone, depending on our night action priority. We lose a player, most certainly town.

In case 2, a Knight would probably have to roleclaim to put a stop to her lie. But what if it's a scum that fakeclaims Knighthood? What if more people do and we're forced to decide?

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Please, tell me I overlooked something obvious and that this plan is not as bad as it looks to me now.

 

That's true, and I really should have mentioned it as a possibility, just got caught up in the action a bit.

 

This. /10char

 

And hey, she's practically inviting you to nightkill her, Stojil. What sort of scum would come up with that idea?

 

If it helps the knights can't tell guilty or not guilty so there'd be no need for a roleclaim by them. Either she's purified or not, her being a different faction of scum isn't something they would know. Please ignore my comment about zen, st. Giles !=knight.

 

Someone who has night protection like the Red King?

 

Misunderstood what you meant with your last post, nevermind.

 

If she survives a nightkill, we lynch her. Easy.

 

They would need to roleclaim if she said she had been purified while it wasn't true. If not, we would think she's town, let her live and she could screw us over in so many ways that it would be even stupid to try.

 

Yea, realized what you meant right after I posted.

 

That's case 1. What about case 2?

I see a good ending to this only if the flavour of the night will tell us that she was purified.

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It's case 2 that would hurt us the most.

"Hey, guys! I was Tessariel! Nicodemu is Random Player and Namshiel is Random Player 2! Let's kill them! teehee!"

 

Dresden check as well then?

 

How about this?
Case 2:we purify her, get info from her, lynch who she says is Nicodemus, and then kill her that night. If she was telling the truth she dies and we know that we got Nicodemus and only lose someone that didn't start as town. If she was lying and was scum with protection then we mistakenly lynched a townie and she gets an extra kill but at least we won't continue under the assumption that Nicodemus is dead and an important scum is town.

One glaring problem with this is if she is scum that does not have protection but I find this unlikely.

 

Okay, okay, she should still be held in suspicion. It doesn't clear her of being another faction of scum. Still, she has claimed to be a role that requires her to die for it to be any good. At some point we will test this hypothesis.

 

If it's the Red King, then it will check not guilty anyway. Also, Dresden would have to roleclaim and the scum fakeclaim is right around the corner with that as well.

edit - ninjaed. Let me think about that, draconian.

 

Both erlking and red king are Dresden proof so this wouldn't help either.

 

If Ashaya is scum but not a Denarian, and ends up surviving your Blackstaff kill, Stojil. Then we lynch her and distrust everything she has said up to that point. If she dies and we don't get a piercing nightkill out of it, we distrust everything she has said. If she dies and the piercing nightkill happens, she was telling the truth.

It's basically that simple.

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It's incredibly simply to prove whether she's Johnny Marcone or not. If she isn't, well, we kill a scum that isn't a Denarian. Still a win-win situation.