I think I made myself unclear, I like Voldemort, I like Tom Marvolo Riddle, the charismatic, and charming head boy at Hogwarts. Not that raving lunatic that is not even human anymore. Tom Riddle was also an evil person, just.... not as bad as Voldemort.

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I now officially love you, unless you are being sarcastic, that I don't like.

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What do you mean? That I am controlled by someone? The answer is no.

 

While I personally am of the opinion that "evil" is a conceptual label we use on people who directly contradict our own morality systems, it is incredibly unlikely that Voldemort's actions and motivations are acceptable in any moral system aside from his own.

Now, a lot of things can be considered extremely subjective with regards to how one's political beliefs motivate their actions, so we'll try to leave those alone. But even not taking into account the fact that he believes (or at least professes to believe) that Purebloods are superior to Muggleborns/Halfbloods, and that he believes Muggles are essentially worthless, he's still a terrible person.

He:

-Tries to kill children, repeatedly. (This one may have some leeway depending on the observer, since he viewed them as a threat to himself or at least a possible threat)

-Inflicts pain needlessly, both for his own amusement and as a way of enforcing discipline/fear.

-Commits murder multiple times (Murder as in deliberately killing someone who is not in direct opposition to him, or who he had the option of disabling/disarming/imprisoning)

-Splits his soul into multiple parts, committing a purely selfish murder on each occasion (while this may not seem like a malevolent act, aside from the murdering, it is made clear that the creation of Horcruxes in the HP verse warps and twists the person, to the extent that only the most horrible of people would do such a thing)

-Manipulates and almost kills an eleven year old (this is a bit of a tricky one, as you say Voldemort is in Albania, the diary is just a fragment of his soul, but at what point do we start to differentiate? What defines him as him and an intelligent, sentient piece of his soul as somehow not-him? In any case, the behavior can be attributed to him rather clearly because even if you think they are separate entities the diary rather clearly reflects his own desires and actions)

-Encourages sadistic tendencies in his followers (Bellatrix)



From this we can see that, despite the fact that you can chalk up some of his actions to his overall goals and beliefs (Magic is might, etc.) it is pretty clear that he is an actively malicious and sadistic force by the most common method of measurement (which is how your own actions effect others). Not only does he not make any effort not to hurt others unnecessarily, he goes out of his way to kill and cause pain even when it does not further his own goals.

Thus, we can indeed come to the conclusion that, by the broadest and most-encompassing metric, Voldemort is indeed an evil person.

 

This is the worst attempt at trolling I've ever seen.

And I work in a fucking call centre hahaha.

Bravo!

 

Wait a sec. What if OP thinks that Voldemort is a kind of magical Putin? Is that why she likes him?

 

Voldemort is evil. That really isn't debatable in anything like a reasonable fashion.

That doesn't mean you can't like him. There are plenty of likable characters throughout fiction that are also unarguably evil, or at least obvious sociopaths.

So. Why do you need him to not be evil, OP?

 

Had to stop here. Oh my god how old are you?

 

I'm sorry but...

 

I hate to be the one breaking that to you, but Tom Riddle IS Voldemort. I know, it was shocking when I discovered it. 15 years ago.

And he has always been a raving lunatic and never particularly human in the moral sense of the term. He was hanging pet rabbits and terrorizing children before being 11, you know. And assassinating students and his family at 16.

And please don't excuse it because he had a hard childhood. Fortunately every child in an orphanage doesn't turn into a mass-murdering psychopath.

 

Tom Riddle is not Voldemort. Tom Riddle became Voldemort.

That doesn't mean he wasn't always a psychopathic little shit though.

 

Well that really depends on how old... you know what? Screw it... I am done, I got nothing!

 

Alexx promises to calm down in the intervention thread.

A day later, this random rolls up doing the exact same stuff with equal levels of retardation and a healthy amount of edge.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT

CONSTANT VIGILANCE MODS

 

Just imagine if Alexx and Crymson had progeny. I'm pretty sure that's how the world ends.

 

We used to (and in some places still do) do the same to keep our children in row. Unless you want to call most of your ancestors evil, the discipline argument has to go.

self-preservation is a powerful instinct. This is taken to the extreme, but I don't think 'evil' applies here.

Self-preservation. For all he knew, the real Voldemort was dead and he had to choose: die for real vs. kill someone. I'm sure most of any terminal ward would jump at such an occasion.

If you want a prove that he's evil, just mention the carelessness of "Kill the spare", or his treatment of the Muggle Studies professor in book 7. This inhuman coldness and lack of any respect towards life, or his followers (taking Lucius' wand, telling everyone Bellatrix's niece married a werewolf) is much worse than fanon's, very much human, red hot anger and throwing Crucios at everything that moves.

 

I would argue that beating children in the name of discipline is an evil thing to do, there really is no excuse for it. So I would argue that yes, our ancestors were a bit evil..

When one commit coldblooded murder of innocents to prolong your life can you really call it self-preservation?

 

If you squint from just the right angle, her current post count (12) could answer you.

 

Voldemort was not evil for the people he served, I guess. The Pureblood faction in the UK believed their political/economic power was being eroded by a more diverse generation. Voldemort was a charismatic leader who could produce results, capable of "restoring" Magical UK to its height of power again, or so they thought. In this way, Voldemort is like Stalin/Hiter; and it's not like political campaigns to push the messages certain parties are inherently evil...

But yeah, Voldemort's methods and personality pretty much make him "evil" by definition. You could argue what he stood for wasn't evil, but you'd be able to say similar things about the nationalism and economic reforms that were successful under Hitler/Stalin. Doesn't excuse the murder of many thousands.

 

Welcome to old age. It's a bastard.

 

Imagine a child of Alexx and Crymson? Wonderful

 

Scroll up. What did I just fucking say? xD

You're blowing the cover of the Swedish hivemind, bro!