Give me your evidence for Harry not giving a shit.

 

I believe this passage speaks for itself.

Case closed.​

 

He practises other subjects but if he gave a shit then he would practise them with the same etermination he practises DADA

 

You mean the subject that we only see him pay attention to when there's some kind of threat evidently looming around the corner?

Whilst I'd argue that Harry is certainly more inclined to study DADA than he is other subjects, I'd still say that much of his determination came from a desire to not die or protect his friends than it did any genuine caring for the subject material itself - though perhaps a part of the fault here also lies with the general quality of his teachers.

As for how good a wizard Harry is, I would certainly say he's above average. Not as good as he could have been otherwise, given his general lack of motivation for study, but good enough that with effort he does bother applying he's good enough to stand out from the majority of his peers, even outside of DADA, as evidenced by the multiple Es he achieved in his OWLs.

 

So he's like James potter? He skates through school only doing something if it helps his friends, is.animagus

 

James was a prodigy at transfiguration I think. He probably helped out Sirius as well as Peter big time with their transformation.

 

Pure conjecture. James and the marauders spent three years learning to become animagi. James is never said to have done so first, or anything of the sort.
Also where did you get prodigy at transfiguration from?

 

Are we going back to "Harry is a slacker of sorts"? Because I will repeat my theory of it being a fault of the Dursley's and Ron Weasley's fragile ego.

 

Well, there is that Marauder's map thing. You can argue what's charms/transfiguration, but still...

 

You missed my point. The map is no evidence for james being better than the other marauders, which is what I called pure conjecture.

 

Or while learning wasn't discouraged it would be easier not to at the dursleys, Ron would accept a prodigy harry, why he's the fucking boy who lived, its expected he's good at magic

 

Yet there's substantial evidence in my mind that all of the marauders were on the whole better than Harry, which was my point to begin with.

 

This again? There is NO EVIDENCE of Harry being a slacker. Nor Ron being a slacker, even. And Ron didn't have nearly as fragile an ego as you seem to think he did.

 

As much as I despise Ron-bashing, the fact of the matter is that he is a slacker in different things. Not everything, of course, but in things like homework for instance. He's not, however, lazy. I think the two get confused.

 

I see Ron as the guy who skirts by on natural talent. He could be great, if he really tried, but it just doesn't matter that much. Part of it is that he doesn't believe anything will allow him to step out of the shadow of his brothers, part of it is he doesn't want to be anything like Percy. He ends up barely above average, which angers Hermoine because she sees his potential. Ron is angry because he thinks if he's already above average, he shouldn't have to try harder. Both seem valid points to me.

 

I meant more of a slacker than a normal boy of that age. I didn't phrase it well.

 

That is actually a very good summary of the character.

Ahh.

 

I think the problem is that even though we have evidence that Harry is pretty impressive and actually good at magic, it usually doesn't feel that way. Apart from DADA and his talent for it, which feels as if it's there for plot reasons, there's no really impressive feat shown in other areas that have nothing to do with Voldemort. Harry's also always reacting to stuff happening around him. He's the hero, true, but I would argue that he's not the protagonist, as he does not have the agency for that. It's a bit like Star Wars. Luke's the hero but Star Wars is about Darth Vader, not Luke.

So Harry's pretty good for his age, but we're just not really feeling it.

 

This is my first post so I feel a little odd saying this, but the bolded part is complete bullshit. Harry did not start learning the Patronus until after the winter holidays. He also for the first time performed it properly just a little bit before Easter, during the match where Draco decided to play dress up. So in all reality he completed this in a span of about three months or so. Not this solid year nonsense that most people seem to like to constantly go on about.

 

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