I'd just like to point out that the better part of a page worth of posts was dedicated to arguing about Accio and related topics.

One of the original arguments was that accio can't be used in battle to summon shoes or a person because we haven't seen it in canon.

This is a thread dedicated to pointing out all the things JKR forgot or missed about canon.

Holding canon up as the touchstone and final authority for all arguments in the midst of a conversation that's tearing it down...

 

she forgot to put a magical limitation to spells like Accio, Evanesco, and the like. hehe...

hey, it was an a priori vs. a posteriori argument. Thus, using canonical information is necessary.

 

Didn't say that they did it for no reason, just that its amusingly perverse (not perverted) to refer to inferred canon limitations in a thread that's all about what JKR forgot to include.

 

I always thought it was strange that Riddle managed to stumble over the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, considering where it was. It was a girl's bathroom and presumably fairly busy during the day (before Myrtle haunted it,) so how did he come to be speaking in Parselmouth to one of the faucets? Most of us barely notice the existence of opposite-sex washrooms.
Moreover, I refuse to believe that Slytherin deliberately hid the entrance in a girl's bathroom. Does anyone actually think that Hogwarts had flush toilets and porcelain sinks with metal faucets before FORKS were invented?
So. How did that carving of a snake end up on one of the faucets, that Just Happened to be attached to the sink that was concealing the entrance to the Chamber?

 

It's rather obvious, Banner. Tom was going in there and imperiusing nubile young women to do his bidding.

 

* cringe *
Thanks for that dignified and respectful explanation, Doctor. Your bedside manner is ... unique.


Seriously, I've always had the feeling that Tom was basically asexual. He probably was technically good in bed, because he would see seduction as a useful skill in manipulation. I'd be surprised to discover that he ever had a long-term lover, however. He wouldn't let anyone near his heart. He'd have seen the boys in his dorm led around by their reproductive organs, he would have watched as At Least one person went through an abusive relationship and nasty breakup, and he found out about his own conception and its ugly results. Most of all, he was focused on becoming immortal and on gaining the power to be invulnerable as well. Emotions would have been a foolish vulnerability.
No. He always Made Sure that he was completely emotionally detached.

 

Tom Riddle, while charming, suffered from Erectile Dysfunction. He just couldn't get it up. Having never had the pleasure of an orgasm, he turned to sadism and torture to fulfill his needs. That's right, Tom Riddle became a dark wizard because he never knew lifes most base pleasure. Had Riddle been able to ejaculate, he would have turned out a lot different.

 

Is that why his wand is 13 inches? He's compensating for something?

Oh yes...and satellite's.

By that time, MIR had already been launched. Not sure about Hubble.

Anyway, you'd think that muggle's would be able to see unusual things. Massive patches of land blacked out to their sensors, people flying on broomsticks, abnormal energy fluctuations...>.>

 

Muggle repelling wards probably work on photographs too. So while the picture may show the real thing. Muggles will only see what the wards want them to see.

For example, Scotland could actually be bigger than it really is. Hogsmeade and Hogwarts, could inhabit the part of Scotland which would be warded with muggle repelling charms. The wards show the area as part of the ocean.

Muggles trying to travel through the area would in fact go around it, and they would be oblivious to it all. The world could be much bigger than it actually seems, and muggles wouldn't know it. People flying on broomsticks in muggle areas,(outside warded areas)probably have to put disillusionment or muggle repelling charms on themselves too.

 

Just a little question, but do muggle repelling charms actively repel muggles or do they just make muggles ignore what they see? If I walked into a room and case a muggle repelling charm on myself would the people leave the room or just never really notice that I'm there? For that matter, what would happen if you cast a muggle repelling charm on a muggle? He'd try to run away from and not notice himself?

Seems like just that one spell could be responsible for a great deal of the psychological problems in the world.

As for the entrance to the Chamber being in a girls' bathroom...either Hogwarts itself (if you subscribe to the semi-sentient Hogwarts theory) put it there. Or some earlier Heir of Slytherin (assuming that the Heir is just whoever's in direct line of descent, rather than some definition regarding magical prowess, psychological state, and political views) put it there. Maybe Tom himself put it there early in his Hogwarts career, but to better accomodate what might have been an increasingly large student body the school decided to make a bathroom out of what was (to their knowledge) and unused room. So after they put the bathroom there, or possibly during, Tom went in and manipulated the opening so it wouldn't be tiled over but still hidden.

Or Tom's a freak and used vision charms to look up through the roof of the Chamber to watch girls in the stalls...weirdo.

 

Yes. At the QWC, I think Bagman says when muggles come close to a MRC, they suddenly remember urgent appointments then scurry off.

 

So if you hit a muggle with a muggle repelling charm they'd suddenly remember an urgent appointment to kill themselves? Seems like the only way to resolve the need to get away from yourself.

 

Well if a muggle was hit with a muggle repelling charm, it wouldn't affect him, but all the muggles around him would not notice him. I don't see why it would cause him to kill himself.

Muggle repelling chamrs sound more like a ward. Cast a MRC around an object, but not touching the object, and muggles won't be able to go near it.

 

It would cause him to kill himself because from his perspective nobody in the world will even come near him without immediately running away. That seems like the sort of thing a true anti-muggle Dark Lord would set as the punishment for a muggle impregnating a witch.

 

Riddle had an affinity for magic; he could probably sense it the same way that Dumbledore could. He could've sent snakes to scout around the castle to look for a large, fairly ancient, sleeping snake hanging about the castle. He could've asked a portrait about the last time the chamber of secrets was opened. Ten bucks says that bint Helena Ravenclaw knew where it was. He could've inherited the same dumb fucking luck that Harry Potter had in spades - they're both related to the Perevells, after all.

Why not? By my view, wizards are way ahead of muggles in bathroom technology. The most faucets we have in our bathtubs are, maybe, 8 to 10 - counting those showerheads with the multi-directional bits sticking out of the shower wall. Wizarding bathtubs had like, what, 20+ faucets? With different scented bubbles and soaps and shit? Who's to say that bathrooms as we know it today weren't reverse-engineered from some muggle who accidentally stumbled into the Leaky Cauldron's lavatory?

As for forks: frankly, who needs a fork when I can have a house elf levitate my ham sammich with mayonnaise into my mouth?

Salazaar wanted to show his big snake to the ladies. Obviously.

 

I just want to say that Harry Potter is extremely ignorant of the magical universe. He strikes me as worse than the retards in my class who think that Europe is a country. For one, he doesn't realize that there exists a world outside of Britian until the Quidditch world cup.

I actually banged my head on the wall when I read this scene. If I had to guess, I would say Harry has an IQ of around 70, perhaps even 80. He has absolutely no interest in magic. When as a muggle-raised person he should be reading until the night.

He is not at all interested in his inheritance. He couldn't give a shit about his studies, or at least some form of training. Even though there is a dark wizard after his ass, he continues to sit around and moan about his Owls.

No wonder Dumbledore manipulated him so easily. A house elf could have done it blindfolded. Fuck, Dumbledore managed to manipulate Harry, and get Harry to worship the ground he walks on (he named his children after him).

This just speaks of ignorance at the extreme. However it allows the Fanfiction writer to create so many possibilities. Wizards could actually inhabit worlds beyond. They could have built magnificent cities with magic. They could have added all the things J.K ignored into their story.

If the reader complains that this was never shown in the HP universe, just blame it on Harry's ignorance. After all, the stories were written mostly from his POV, so it makes sense if the reader was ignorant of the magical world too.

I can understand why many believe muggles are better than wizards. They've only seen the wizarding world from Harry's POV, a very ignorant one at that. However, if we take into account all the charms J.K created, then you have wizards and witches of nearly unstoppable might.

In reality, the wizarding world should span across the solar system (They have propulsion methods that go on forever. In space it is possible to reach light speed with these methods). In reality, every wizard should own a mansion, perhaps even a a palace. In reality, every wizard should be able to live in unimaginable comfort with a flick of the wrist. In reality, wizards should have squashed the puny muggles long ago.

 

This isn't really a plot hole, it's just something that's always annoyed me. Does Harry learn nothing at school? He didn't know what death eaters were until fourth year, for fucks sake. You would think he would've done a little research about the man who killed his parents. Also, we have him learning about 10 spells per year. You would think that "The Greatest Magical School in the World" would have a tougher curriculum. The only, absolute only thing that makes him special up until the final chapters of DH is his patronus, and he ends up teaching that to a bunch of fifth years in the D.A., so that's not even special. He has no remarkable dueling skill, jack shit when it comes to magical knowledge, and he has a huge reliance on others. Fucking-a, that's all Hermione is used for, she's just the box in the abandoned classroom for JKR, every time they need a bit of information, *poof* "Oh! I read about that...", that annoys the fucking shit out of me. The problem is that Harry is completely reliant on others, even when he's angsting and trying to push everyone away. Hell, the little bitch can't even push others away properly. No hurtful words, snide, angry comments, he gives such a feeble effort at that, that it's a wonder he's accomplished anything at all. Fuck, this turned into a rant. Sorry about that.

/EndRant

Veritas

 

QFT. What's even more frustrating is the fact that most of the story is centered around Harry. Which means we will only know as much about the magical world as Harry does. Therefore we can conclude we know little to no important things about the magical world itself. While Voldemort's campaign is certainly important, it only occurs inside of Great Britian. At least that's what Harry thinks (Or doesn't think, depending on the way you want to view it). For all we know Britian is merely an insignificant speck compared to the whole wizarding world.

 

One of the unanswered questions is, what happens to the body after someone has been Kissed? Do they die in a couple of days, bereft of the soul (although Riddle did Very Well on 1/6th of a soul.) Do they just lie there until they starve to death? Could they be used for Black magic rituals? I can think of some ways to make Kissed DE useful, if I could use the victim's magic.
* evil grin *

 

My guess is that if the person who has been Kissed received that as punishment for a set of crimes then that person would be in Azakaban and sit in Azkaban until they die without their soul, or possibly the Kissed body is thrown through the veil? or maybe the body is disposed in another way we don't know of.

Now if the person who was Kissed, was Kissed by Dementors that had no authorization to Kiss the person, then it is my belief that that person would be in St. Mungo's like Neville's parents.