http://www.inquisitr.com/455268/peter-parkers-death-sends-spider-man-fans-into-a-frenzy/

I know this isn't the technically the first time they've done this(Marvel 616) but, I really don't know what they're trying to accomplish with this, other than angering the longtime hardcore and causal fans of the comic that is.

Thoughts?

 

Peter Parker IS Spiderman. Same deal as other heroes, for me. I never understood why some people think that someone else putting on the same suit is the same hero. I never read stories like that.
Kill Peter, you kill Spiderman. End.

 

Exactly, the only people who seem to like this keep pointing to when Marvel killed Steve Rodgers or when DC killed Bruce Wayne, but to me this has nothing in common with either of those cases. Both Rodgers and Wayne had long term sidekicks, allowing the writers to answer the question of how said sidekicks would in their mentors role. With Spiderman, they replace him with one of his biggest enemies?? It makes no sense.

 

This is the worst thing to happen to Marvel. Ever. Only fuels my desire to stick to the smaller distributors.

 

I find it rather surprising that people seem to believe that this is a good thing to do to their franchise.

I don't think they understand the simple concept that I'm attached to the character, not to the tights or particular superpower that he happens to possess. The clothes or weapon have really very little importance to me, I'm attached to the person.

I'm not saying this will be bad, and I'm not saying that every time this has been done it's been bad. I just don't feel any real reason to follow a series after the character or characters I like have died.

 

I stopped paying attention to mainline Marvel and DC a while ago. Keeping track of all the continuity bullshit was too much. I do like Ultimate Marvel and some of the things it did. The Death of Spider-Man they did in Ultimate was sad, but fitting. Peter was younger in Ultimate Marvel, but he had a deep sense of responsibility and went down fighting for his people. Liked what they did with the new Spider-Man, Miles Morales. I bought Bendis's Spider Men which had a crossover of 616 Spidey into Ultimate Marvel world. Loved it.

As others have said before, the smaller publishers are coming out with some amazing work. IDW, Image, Avatar Comics, etc. Have found a lot of gems on Amazon that don't get enough play because of hype on longtime and long in the tooth comic franchises.

 

Meh. They'll probably come up with a ridiculous way of bringing him back.

 

I haven't read the comic, but the article implies that the issue is blurry.

Basically spoiling only the link, but what do you know, people might care:

Spoiler

Technically doc oc died, and Spidey now has his memories inside him. As well as some personality remains. But the body is Peter's, the memories are Peter's and the Spider Man is still going to be Peter Parker.

My guess is that they're just going to throw away doc oc's self awareness at some point, leaving only Peter Parker with some memories of the dead doc oc. And them killing doc oc is strange, but probably a livable event since he will come back.

Still a dick move, however you look at it.

 

As a short-term change it probably will boost Spider-Man's sales that's all that Marvel cares about. I suppose it will be an interesting thing to see how many people will read about adventures of Otto Octavius in Peter's body when any series starring him in his own body would be rather quickly canceled.

 

Yeah, when I read about what happened I just sort of stared at my monitor for a while.

They can't not bring him back eventually of course. Peter's earned Marvel a hell of a lot more money than Captain America ever did, and they brought him back within three or four years. Plus this isn't like it was in the Ultimate universe, where they treat death a little less fluidly (if you die the chances of you coming back are fairly low, but then again your chances of dying, probably in an abrupt and stupid manner *cough*Ultimatum*cough*, in the first place are also much higher).

Kind of funny, since 616 Peter just visited the Ultimate universe where his counterpart died just a few months ago and was all torn up about how things turned out there. Also, the Ultimate universe's Doc Ock was the one villain who died right before he got to fight Peter one last time.

Sometimes I really hate the comics industry for pulling CUHRAZY TWISTS like this to generate sales. I mean they kind of have to if they want to earn any money, since no one likes comics anymore, but still, I always feel sick when they sacrifice story and characters for money.

I'm having trouble deciding which is worse, One More Day or this.

EDIT: Actually when I think about it, having Doc Ock as a hero would be pretty cool if it was brought about in another way.

 

I'm not concerned. This is Marvel we're talking about, superheros tend to be really bad at the whole dying and staying dead thing.

I just hope that this isn't a lead in to another Clone Saga. Now that would be something to get pissed about.

 

I stopped reading Marvel when every other issue in their universe someone would die. Then 10 issues later they'd be brought back. Jean Grey, good fucking god she's died a bagillion times now. Cable, hell any Xman character. The Clone Saga with Spiderman put the nail in the coffin for me, then I went back not too long ago and downloaded a bunch of Spidey books, and the first one I read is how MJ died due to his radioactive cum. Put them back down, cbf to deal with figuring out what's what anymore, it got way too stupid.

 

Peter Parker, The Lie I've Lived? Or Partially-Killed Hero?

 

Retarded shite is retarded.

It's basically Spider-Man with Doc Ock's mind slowly being taken over by Parker's memories.

Piece of crap.

 

I've always wanted to get into comics, but never knew where to start. I am a sucker for wanting to start at the beginning of a character's bio, but it always seems there are 10 different start points for 20 different characters >_>

I must say, that's kinda intriguing.

 

That's a alternate universe series called Spider-Man: Reign. It's basically a rip-off of The Dark Knight Returns, except with Spider-Man instead of Batman and significantly more retardation. Definitely not the way you want to jump back in.

By the way, I suggest to anyone wanting to get into Spider-Man to just read Ultimate Spider-Man right from the beginning. It may not be in the mainstream universe, but it's a great take on Peter's character regardless.

 

On the one hand, I can support something at least semi-original in comic books. On the other hand...like Republic said, while I might like Spider-Man's powers and whatnot, I mainly like the character, which is Peter Parker. I might check out a few issues to see what happens, but at the end of the day, I don't want to read about a Spider-Man who isn't Peter Parker. I haven't even read much of Miles Morales run thus far.

Although yeah, comic book death...it won't last too long, I'm sure.

IIRC, Ultimate!Ock was actually killed by Norman Osborn for refusing to fight Spidey one last time, saying that he would rather rededicate his life to science.

 

Ah. I remember Norman beat the hell out of him, but was fuzzy on the reason why.

 

With Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy still being very fresh, I can see the rationale and profundity of an immortal symbol. I can get the idea of a lineage of superheroes sharing an identity. But Marvel seems to have misinterpreted the message.

Nolan embedded the idea of symbols into the trilogy from the first film. But it was never a huge theme in the Spider-Man mythology. It wasn't part of Peter Parker's motivations, it wasn't linked to the main message of "Power comes with responsibility", nor was it really developed from the angle of New York City's relationship with the Spider-Man.

Bruce Wayne lights up a burning bat symbol to announce his return, Peter Parker web-slings straight to where the bad guys are. The literal reasons of why they don their costumes are different.

And this leads me to a bigger question about Marvel and comic books in general. There is just no discipline or sense of stable continuity. The writers and illustrators are rotated, a majority of whom are incompetent and are polluting an ever-growing clusterfuck of storylines and universes, routinely writing things that are clearly fundamentally shit, with no foreseeable conclusion other than them reversing those decisions that they never should've made in the first place.

But I'd say that's one reason why superhero films are so successful. The comics are a wasteland of clusterfuckery precisely because of decisions like this, and it takes films that emerge from that primordial soup to enable non-comic book readers to engage in these mythologies.

 

Isn't radioactive cum why Betty Ross died?