Proph a case on Lucky would be nice. Please?

Snowvon, can you elaborate on how you think Lucky isn't scum with "how he is" or have you changed your mind since?

Atum, can you voice a preference of those two with a reason?

Lucky, get in here and give an opinion on anything really.

Kai, do you have a townread?

fonti, would you have felt left out if I had left you out?

 

Vote Count 1.3

Prophylaxis (2): KaiDASH, Blab
Atum (1): Snowvon
Fontisian (1): Luckylee
Luckylee (1): Prophylaxis
Snowvon (1): Fontisian

Abstaining (1): Atum

With 7 alive, it is 4 to hard lynch and 3 to soft lynch.

Timer for Day End

 

@blab

Like. His entire persona just screams town. I wouldn't know where to begin to look for a scum!Luckylee. I don't really know what Prophy and fonti are getting at on the self-conscious thing, is it supposed to be a tell for him or something?

 

I can't get in your head with you mentioning reading WH3 multiple times then.

It reads like, Lucky acts x, which is like town, therefore he is town, even though he acted like x as scum, too.

Can you explain?

 

Self-conscious replies:

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I think that he would be more gunshy to give town reads if he was town - he's handing them out like candy here because he /knows/ that we're town.

Defensive. The "pretending I'm having pointless aggression for the sake of looking more townie" is self-aware - he's aware of how he's perceived, which isn't a town mindset.

Again, with the self-awareness.

How many times do I need to repeat it?

He's also given little/weak reasoning as to why fontisian is scum, and doesn't care about his question to Snowvon (when he didn't answer it, Luckylee didn't ask why).

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I'm pretty sure there's a healthy dose of confirmation bias in there, but yeah - there's a list of all the reasons why I think Luckylee is scum.

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I'm questioning if Snowvon would defend Luckylee in the manner he did, if they were scumbuddies together.

What do you think, blab?

 

I'm having a hard time explaining this.

Like. If I had read WH3 without knowing who the scum were, I probably never would have guessed Lucky. It seems more like he only got caught by Chocolate Pi mechanically, not necessarily because he was acting scummy. Dermon was the only person actually scumreading him, iirc.

 

I will probably be around at deadline.

I kind of want to probe at people other than Lucky (blab/font/Kai/Snowvon) to avoid Avatar Mafia II but I can't really do that in six hours.

I understand what Snowvon is trying to say, but I'm having trouble envisioning a scumteam with him and Lucky. fontisian, what does Snowvon normally do as scum?

 

What I think is that I have already stated my opinion on that in thread in response to font (that LuckyLee and Snowvon did not react/act in the way I would expect them to as scumbuddies).

I don't put a whole lot of stock into my expectations not being met, though.

Yes, I am having more trouble understanding how ^this affected/non-affected your thoughts about the LuckyLee town persona thing.

Like, let's assume he would act exactly like in WH3. Apparently as consequence you would still read him town? Because... whelp, sucks if he is scum?

 

What was your impression of Luckylee's behavior, here?

Why did you want me to claim here?

Do you think Luckylee would hammer a townread?

 

We're not playing this game.

You have an hour to claim, and then I'll vote.

Snowvon is more self conscious than Luckylee and is trying to fake scumhunting. His responses and back tracking show that he is not trying to figure out the game.

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Lucky's first couple posts were town. It's only the later stuff got self conscious.

I want you yo claim before I lynch you. And if you don't think Lucky's volatile enough to hammer, you're naive.

 

This is turning into an argument of whether or not Lucky acted scummy in a completely different game so I feel like this is getting off topic, but. Basically, yes. Up until Chocolate Pi swooped in, I thought he was town.

That doesn't = I'm totally 100% against the idea of Luckylee being scum never ever ever, but. My first instinct would be to read him as town.

fake edit: @fonti

How exactly am I backtracking?

 

Spoiler alert: You never rethought it.

 

I'm still not claiming, and I'll laugh if I'm mislynched D1 in this game.

How were Lucky's first couple of posts town?

blab, what do you think of my Luckylee case, since you asked for it?

 

The aggressive response to me when he could have laughed it off.

 

@fonti

I got a little distracted with Atum being cheeky/blab and Prophy asking about Lucky.

I still disagree with Prophy's reasons for reading Lucky, as far as self-consciousness goes. The first two quotes are his only examples, and I only read them as early-game banter.

Why do you think Prophy and Lucky are scum? Besides 37, with respect to Prophy.

 

I dont. I just dont think they're town either.

Why did you never follow up with that case against Atum? Why does your entire reasoning about Luckylee sound like you're trying to figure out what town! Von would do?

 

I already posted everything I think of Atum. He wants to lynch either Lucky or myself, neither of which he gave reasons for.

I don't have to figure out what town!Von would do because I am him and he is me. What I'm trying to figure out is how to say what I should say so that other people will understand my words without having to repeat myself a hundred ways to Sunday. I succeeded with Prophy, at least.

 

Oh hey, it's been an hour.

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Vote Count 1.4

Prophylaxis (3): KaiDASH, Blab, Fontisian
Atum (1): Snowvon
Fontisian (1): Luckylee
Luckylee (1): Prophylaxis

Abstaining (1): Atum

With 7 alive, it is 4 to hard lynch and 3 to soft lynch.

5 Hours Remain in Day One

 

Nice to have all of this activity around the deadline.