I'm guessing 'expected value'.

 

I will quote myself and add to it then.

And to that I add: #117 wich only tells me that he followed the thread.

His empty first post is kinda null, posts 2/3/4 are talking about -ev mechanics p) and his last post his a generic answer made up of ctrl-c/ctrl-v of other posts. And he didn't vote.

I have other posters I think could be scums, but Republic21 is the only one who doesn't give me any town vibe. He lurks and when he doesn't it's to post anti-town or because he was directly questionned. A townie would give us his reads and help us hunt scums, he does neither.

I think he is flying under the radar by doing the minimum and taking advantage of the fact that others look scummy.

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tl;dr: Doesn't help town, doesn't participate, doesn't take risks, try to fade in the background.

 

Well, meh, I said there was a possibility of someone experienced in the scum team telling him how to act.

Jeopardizer's question post was scummy.
His reply to your post itself wasn't scummy.
It was after your comment about him giving a huge town tell that was suspicious.
Errr, if you meant it that way why the blimey hell did you say "He seems to be thinking about his own role possibly shining through because of his question, rather than other players slipping about theirs"? This statement tells me that in your point of view, Jeopardizer was more worried about himself than the others, or do we not use the same grammar here?

Shouldn't it be "He seems to be thinking about other players slipping about their role, rather than his own role possibly shining through?"

Town tell it may be, but I won't say it is a BIG town tell and neither will I refuse to consider that it may be fabricated (like you did). Don't forget scums have shared QT. A scum player in trouble can always go to his/her QT and say "damn it, what the hell do I do now?" Then another experienced player tells him/her the exact way to answer that question.

If that is the case, then indeed Rubicon's dare devilish reveal might make some sense if he is scum. So yea people, try not to roleclaim.

Please do.

I do agree that my reasons aren't the best you can find to use against him. However, Stojil, seriously? Towniest town?

Post #16 with his retarded no explanation lynch vote. Seriously though Riley, he didn't give any explanation, how can you even "agree with his reasoning" and lynch me?

Post #107 with his bullshit about putting pressure on me on post #16, then used information from beyond post #16 to justify for his lynch vote on post #16

Post #161 is the epitome of being anti-town. "Can we make player X die now please?" is just about the worse thing a player can say. :fire

All of the above posts are in no way, making him "towniest town". In fact if you really want to give a "towniest town" award I think it really think it goes to LochNess, just saying.

Basically, I don't think my reasons are really that "bullshit". If you stop your "Bill Door is towniest town that ever walked the earth" nonsense you will actually see that his reasons are just as bad or worse than my "bullshit". Especially his explanations on his first vote.

It is not impossible. I can see you drafting up something like that to attempt getting rid of suspicions day one, and at the same time make it look genuine. Anyway, my view on you being scum is just pure intuition because of the entire flow of the thread and I do not really have a proper case to make against you.

Also, I think you will agree on my point about not letting a single player lead the flow.

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Though the possible reason of why Rubicon (if scum) can make such a daring role-claim like that is out....I really doubt scumbuddies of his will allow him to make so many mistakes one after another. I am still suspicious of him, but for now, after I decided I don't actually want to die so quickly,

Lynch Vote: Republic21

who really screams scum to me more than any other player currently.

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ebwop: I think it really goes* to LochNess

 

ebwop: I think it really goes* to LochNess

 

When? When did I do this? Show me a quote where I used logic based on later posts to justify my first vote on you.

 

I'm feeling a lot more comfortable about Sacrifice, not because of him giving me a towny town award in his last post there, but in his analysis of everyone, I feel like he really is scum hunting. May not agree with his choices (ie, he feels too many people are town just because they haven't said too much and haven't said anything scummy.

I don't really see the set up of Stojil and jeopardizer as much as everyone else does, but one thing I found odd was Stojil's claim that it was a town tell of jeopardizer because he asked how many scum people thought were in the game. The point of the game is to find the scum and kill them, so I don't think that he really drew attention to the fact that there were scum when that's the point of the game.

One other thing, Stojil I didn't really understand the fake claim roles. Could you just clarify that I got your explanation right? So you are saying that in some games, a mod will tell the scum, here are some roles not being used by town that you can use for yourself if you need to try and role claim? That's what I got from it, and if that's what it is, why would that be bad for the town to know? Scum would already know about it obviously, so sharing more information with the town would have actually been in the town's interest, no?

Gonna go review what everyone is saying about Republic, those things were just thoughts that popped out at me after my first read of the new pages.

 

I was talking about post #121.

However, I take back that half of the sentence, I re-read and saw that you said you were testing my reaction (which doesn't make sense because you QUOTED my answer to your "rhetorical question" before you put your first lynch vote), which I still refuse to believe. I must have missed that somehow, sorry.

Though, I'm not taking back the first half of that sentence

Now that you brought this up, how about you tell me what kind of town reaction you were expecting while someone is being "pressurized" by that lynch vote of yours on post #16, because judging by that logic of yours, any reaction that is made will be deemed "scummy".

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specifically, the lynch vote on post 16, not the generic pressure a lynch vote gives.

 

I'm starting to feel like two townies are fighting against each other (Bill and Sacrifice). AngelRick would hate me and call me out with WINE, but if you guys haven't noticed I play every game that way even if it's not the correct mafia way. Bill saying things like, Let's lynch Sacrifice now etc etc. doesn't seem like a scum thing to do because even though it may not be pro town to go and lynch someone without discussion, if Sacrifice flipped town, people would turn that around on Bill probably.I think scum would be a bit more subtle.

 

In future, could you not ask me to give scum advice on how to play during the game, please? I'll answer it if you insist, but I'd rather not.

 

Well, I did say specifically post #16, because answering for a generic lynch would be -ve town and...no, I don't insist, you don't have to answer it.

 

My scummiest suspect is dead town so... Urrrrgh.

Republic has been below sea level in attempts to slip by so I'll throw this down:

Lynch Vote: Republic21

Get in here and post (lol irony)

Sacrifice: read is gravitating towards derpy, enthusiastic town. Which is worrying given that self lynch vote. Its the biggest gambit scum can make but it can work. This

directly after Jeop built a decent case on Republic is :/ Its hard to judge with a self lynch vote but just reading through how it played out it feels like a fast turn around once your point was made.

Bill Door: Up there in towniness with Lochness and Stojil. Good posts, well argued with a dash of meta thrown in for seasoning. Honestly for anyone doubting either Bill or Stojil take a quick look over past games. If those two attempt to lead discussion as scum they lead it quite differently then their town selves. More open ended questions/what do you thinks then actual pokes.

Oh. Bill could I get your current thoughts on Rubicon given the bit Stojil said about mod provided role claims?

 

Irony²?

(10)

 

lol did you skip my entire tl;dr?

 

Actually, yeah, that's a good point. Kalas is sheeping like hell in this game. Yesterday too.

Vote: Kalas

Will post a more detailed analysis of Kalas after dinner.

 

I wake up and leave for work and come back to Sacrifice ranting and people voting based on attendance. This is worrying if we're already judging who to vote for based on number of posts. I hope you guys don't decide to to lynch me for working.

That being said, if I had to pick one person to lynch, I'd have to pick between Rubicon and Jeopardizer

Rubicon:

Reasoning: Still looking at the clusterfuck yesterday, the fact that he was so strongly pushing for fontisian lynch, which ended in the lynch of a townie (not good) and the NK of two townies (definitely not good) gives me a reasonable amount of suspicion.

Counter-argument: As a vanilla townie he wouldn't know who's really town and who's scum and was reacting based on conclusions built from what he saw as scum-tells and slip-ups.

Response: He could also have been scum who was posting as a suspicious to show an "innocent townie trying to do right" and thus pull off not one but three kills.

Result: Not scum, too much effort (in my opinion) for a scum to do this much work for so little gain. However, if there is a third party, he might be a part of that (or the sole one with so few people) and the double NK was just a bonus. I'll keep my eye on him.

Jeopardizer

Reasoning: Pushing a vote on someone who has not responded as much as others. This is reason for concern because if Republic is town and just staying quiet due to having a night-power than there's a worry here that he's scum and trying to lynch an adversary. We need people to post more yes, but moving to lynch them is pushing it, ask for a response and ye shall receive. Push for a lynch and things can spiral quickly out of control

Counter-argument: Well republic may be hiding because he is scum and one of the trademark scum tells is silence when talk is needed. Republic is hiding and Jeopardizer is trying to push that into the open.

Response: moving to lynch in the first 24 hours of a 72 hour day is a bit extreme to get a response. I don't like that Jeopardizer is pushing for lynches this early. In fact I don't like that everyone is pushing for lynches this early when there's so few people left in an already small game. We should be asking questions and taking down answers, lynches are a good judge but not necessary this early.

Result: Jeopardizer is either scum pushing to lynch another townie for his faction's goal or he is a part of the third faction as is trying to stir up trouble.

Final Decison: Lynch either Rubicon or Jeopardizer.

 

I check in with my cellphone to see what's up, and I see this. I know my inactivity is terrible whichever way you look at it, but there's nothing I can do about it atm.

I will have enough time to go over the thread and post something with meaning in about 5 to 6 hours. Sorry again, but irl stuff are piled up.

 

Could you at least try to read what I write? If I only voted by attendance I would have voted mishie or you. The thing is: Republic21's posts are entirely content-free while you and mishie at least try to vote/scum-hunt/look like you are doing something.

So yeah, maybe it's not ideal but don't put words in my mouth.

 

Not at all. Thats the point. You have suspicions on Jeop, further your thoughts on Bill, go back again to the exchange, even acknowledge the fakeclaim scenario and cap it off with the fallacy that scum couldn't fuck up like that. Then after posting all that, a lot of good poking material, you let them off the hook.

Let me be clear. I voted on Republic to get him in here to post (he's keeping up so thats.something at least). I dont think he's scum. He's just a really bad player with questionable ideas.

*posted.from my phone

 

I dunno, it's not a concept that I've ever heard of. But I still don't think that Rubicon's play makes sense from a scum perspective. I think Rubicon was just an aggressive town, playing badly, rather than a suicidal scum, playing horribly.

 

I didn't say that it was your sole reason for lynching him, I just commented on what you and several others were doing. Which is looking at who's not talking and putting a lynch vote towards them. You can have a valid reason to call them out, but when you post things like this

I can't help but draw the conclusion that part of your vote was based on his attendance.


So yeah, maybe you should reread what you wrote what I responded with and not put words in my mouth.