I may be a terrible player, but I have feelings bro, and you just hurt em. Kidding, aside, I know I haven't participated in this game as much as I should.
The reason I'm such a terrible player is that while I try to keep up, I'm not as good at analyzing people's posts based on mafia knowledge as other people. Hence why my posts aren't filled with suspicions, accusations and theories. Hell, this post only took me about half an hour to write.

That said, I can read. While my stance on Day 1 votes is one that I have had in all my mafia games so far, no-one really explained to me why it's retarded. In this game, people did (Jeo, Mishie and Kalas) and I agree that it makes more sense than what I was thinking up until now.

How does this make sense? My views on Day 1 votes, stupid or not, have been the same in all games I've played. And how does it consist a slip? A slip means that I accidentally told something that I shouldn't, that I didn't mean to. I never tried to hide my views on Day 1 votes.
Frankly, while I can see why people would suspect me (this happens a lot to lurkers) lurking doesn't warrant this kind of attack. It's not like my vote mattered, it wasn't necessary to reach a lynch. If it was, I would have voted.


While I don't have enough know-how to create a detailed list of thoughts like some of the veteran players, I can give my thoughts on the current livelist.

Bill Door, Stojil and Riley seem ok to me. They are veteran players who know to get the ball moving and pick on slips. On the other hand, good players as they are, they could be scum playing a very good town. The possibility seems very small to me, however.
I can't really say anything on Lochness or Kalas. I can't really catch a vibe off of their posts, for different reasons each.

Then there is Jeo, Rubicon, Mishie and Sacrifice.
Jeo, and Sacrifice post a lot, and scum vibes come out in spades, especially from Sacrifice. Do I even have to explain Sacrifice? Day 1, he's all over the place, with almost as little actual content as my own posts. Day 2, however, is even worse. At firsl he's like "SHOOT ME", but then switches his mind, attacking me in the process, probably trying to get a lynch going so his own would be forgotten, and he'd be able to say that he didn't mind getting lynched.
Rubicon ... suspicion him has not changed. At all. Same with Jeopardiser, who seems to be trolling or something. Plus he's defending Mishie, which is beyond suspicious. Mishie has posted even less than me, while throwing lynch votes and accusations abound. This is what I imagine a lurking scum would act like. Or maybe's he's just bored with his role, dunno.

Details are not my thing in mafia, and probably never will be, so this will have to suffice. I am not as vigilant as I should be.

I'll be keeping my good eye on the people who make my scumdar go off, especially Sacrifice.

And yes, I'll be voting this Day. Probably for Sacrifice or Mishie, but I'll wait a few more posts before doing that. I'm actually surprised noone else is on Mishie's case, to be honest.

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This was written after Kalas' post.

 

In his first post, no. In his answer to my question, sure.

No, apparently you didn't get what I meant. When I asked him what was wrong with his question, he said (paraphrased) that it could have given hints about his role. I'm saying that new scum wouldn't have answered like that, but more likely like you're suggesting. Because scum doesn't worry to be seen roleslipping, but to be seen role-fishing.

Then we can't consider town-tells? Because they can be manufactured? Of course you consider them, only keeping in mind that they can be faked. I added Jeopardizer's answer to his earlier towntell (which is a little thing but has very low odds of being fake) and there, I had a town-read on him.

As for Bill Door, all your points seem to have been answered already.

Discussion about scum doesn't usually help scum in a close setup and inexperienced scum is usually nervous enough to be playing much more safely than starting their game with a question about how many scum players there are.

You got the explanation right. Only, I didn't reveal that not to keep it secret to town, but to catch scum slipping about it. Imagine that you knew something about the scum faction that no one else knew but scum themselves. Would you immediately reveal it or would you try and take advantage of the false sense of security that everyone else not knowing was sure to give scum?

Anyway:

Kalas, give me 3 scumreads. You're playing so safe it hurts. I think I want to kill you.
Republic, lurking does warrant attack and lynch-votes (does this point really need explaining? Riley?)
Mishie, get in here and post.

Rescind Vote
Lynch: mishie

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Also

Lochness: your game has lots of defending and very little attacking. You should really rectify that. Scumreads?

 

Stojil, I still don't get how that is good for town letting the scum think that they are safe with their role claims if there are these fake roles... If I had known about the possibility I would say it to alert town so that when a scum is backed into a corner and needs to claim a role, town doesn't automatically start thinking that it so probably true due to no counter claims/ a great risk being taken etc etc.

Regardless if town had known about these ideas I think when scum gets backed into a corner that they will be lynched out, they would still make the role claim so I think it would be beneficial to town to know these ideas.

I have a bad feeling from Kalas, I think I will vote for him now. I literally thought he had posted just a much as Mishie until I looked at the post count, just because his posts seem to try to blend in so much.

Lynch Vote: Kalas


Also, just curious, has Kalas played other games with you outside of the site Stojil? Just because someone posted that the two games you played as scum on here ended up both being short lived for you, but Kalas was talking about how you play so differently as scum when he was saying why you are probably town.

 

I said that about the two games I've played here with Stojil was scum. There have probably been other games where he was scum, that I didn't play in.


With regards to lynches, I could support a Kalas lynch, and maybe one on mishie depending on his next few posts, but I'd still rather see Sacrifice dead.

 

Okay so a mistake on my part then.

One thing I feel though is that a good player isn't going to go and play scum the same every time. They will obviously know that if they play town with characteristics of A, B and C and then scum with characteristics of D and E, that they are gonna get caught out quickly every time, so will have to switch it up.

 

Ok, so you intentionally said that you would prefer a no-lynch day one, it wasn't a scumslip but a scumtell. Be it a slip or not, that is still pretty much -ve town. I currently am not really worried about people lurking because I myself am about to post way lesser as my exam comes...tomorrow. Anyway, I voted for you because I think you are scum, not because of your lurking, which some players base their lynch on.

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If people give real life reasons as to why they cannot post, you believe them. Game ethics. Also obviously, don't lie about real life reasons.

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As for Kalas and mishie, I've stated in my tl;dr that I THINK they are town, though they have not posted much. It's sorta a gut feeling like why I felt Stojil could be scum, but I have no real evidences to prove it. I hope these two post more.

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In regards to your statement, Kalas. I was pondering over which one to go after in that tentative scumlist of mine, which of course could be wrong, so I went to re-read the entire thread again.

Then someone brought up Republic, who is already a member in my scumlist, I thought, "why not?" and went for him because I think he is scum.

 

Votals!

Republic21: (3) Jeopardizer, Sacrifice, Kalas
Kalas: (2) Rubicon, LochNess
Mishie: (1) Uncle Stojil
Riley Poole: (1) Mishie
Sacrifice: (1) Bill Door

Abstaining: (2) Republic21, Riley Poole

With 10 players remaining, it is 6 to hard lynch, and 3 to soft lynch.

Day Two ends in 27.5 Hours

 

Ok, I will go to sleep now, so I will add my vote to Mishie. Was a toss between him and Sacrifice, but at least Sac isn't lurking.

Lynch Vote: Mishie

Will check back in tomorrow.

 

What makes this stand out to me is how different his play here is from his play in KaiDash's Werewolf Cup game. Kalas was significantly more aggressive and opinionated in that game. Here, all he's doing is looking to see which wagon the cool kids are supporting and quietly sliding in behind them.

For instance, I really didn't like the way Kalas sheeped Stojil so quickly and completely yesterday in voting for Fontisian. Basically, no one but me votes for Fontisian all day, despite several people saying she was scummy. Then Stojil votes and instantly Kalas is there following suit, repeating Stojil's argument almost word-for-word.

Looking closer, his vote on AngelRick was, while the first on that slot, also just repeating arguments made by other players. Then there's his vote for Republic21.

Does anyone else notice a difference in Kalas' play here?

 

I've been unhappy with Kalas' play since the start. Particularly since the way he answered my question about Rick on day one. He's also been very non-committal on a lot of issues. He's talked too much about mechanics, and his posts have been too infrequent for my liking.

There's also been things like post 108 where he promises his thoughts on Sacrifice but then never delivers,he's tended to avoid issues like that in an annoying fashion. He's soft defended Sacrifice several times, leading me to believe they're in a team together, and not a town team.

 

So Bill, if your Sacrifice lynch doesn't take off, will you switch your vote to Kalas?

 

As I said a few posts ago:

 

24 hours until Day Two ends.​

 

Sorry about lurking everybody, been pretty busy for the past few days with uni stuff, plus I kinda forgot that it's my birthday today so there has been a bit of family stuff keeping my occupied. I still have my suspicions about Riley, but he did answer to my questions very well. As to my other suspicions, I still think that Rubicon is derpy town, and every post just makes Sacrifice look derpier and derpier, and well, I really do think that if he were scum, that they wouldn't have stopped him by now, although that does leave the possibility of him being the third party in the game...

 

Nope. You do not get to use the logic of "he's too scummy to be scum". That sort of logic is what lost town the game in TinyHunt 2

 

Sorry for the lateness of this guys. I'm heading back to Uni this Saturday and this week's been sort of been focused on goodbyes. That said, posting time.

First off @Rubicon. Different game, different rules, different levels of experience. You'll remember we lost our one info role on Night 1 in WW. Hyper aggressive was the only way anything was going to get done. You'll also remember town lost that game, in no small part because I got caught up in my own scumlist and got tunnel vision. In the half a dozen games (at least) I've played since WW thats been my the overwhelming lesson: early game I suck. Much better at endgame analysis then say Day 1 picking over posts. When I do build a solid case out of early game posts I either say something dumb which gets me lynched by Stojil/Kai or I end up tunnel visioned on a towny (see AngelRick this game).

Basically if you wanna talk meta with me go right ahead but don't bring up a 6 month old game where I was the towny town that towned and try and play it off as me OoC.

@Stojil:

This is harder then it should be right now but bare with me. With both fontisian and AngelRick flipping town two huge holes got blown into both my potential scum teams. But after looking over todays post I'm still confident there is at least one scum member in Sacrifice/Rubicon.

For Rubicon its post 209 that really sets off buzzers for me. First off there's the whole meta thing (see above). He then proceeds to try and paint me as a bandwagon hopper. Angelrick was all me and you trying to present it as anything else is insulting. A couple people commented on the weird vanilla-y thing but I was the only one to point out what exactly was wrong with that post and actually throw a vote on him*. Yes I later joined in on the fontisian wagon because I agreed with Stojil's reasoning but I made that obvious. Wrote what I thought about the scum teams with AngelRick in mind and voted. Notably didn't try and pad with 6 month old meta.. Republic was a pressure vote pure and simple.

Sacrifice has been iffy for reasons gone over quote by quote by others. The big issue I've had with what he's posted is how back and forth he is with his WINE. From post 171. Suspects Jeop is scum being fed what to say by an experienced player. Suspects Republic is scum because he derped hard and is not being fed what to say by an experienced player. Suspects Rubicon is town because he derped hard and is not being fed what to say by and experienced player. Then post 183

The complete contradictory logic of the two bolded statements is mind boggling. And then mishie tries the same kind of thing in 214.. ugh.

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Basically of the two I find Rubicon scummier. Though Sacrifice, and a Sacrifice/mishie connection, definitely bears more looking into.

Rescind Vote

Lynch Vote: Rubicon

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* regardless of role names Wetnurse was the second to jump on AngelRick. Now, I find uniformed lovers about as -fun as can be. So possible vig kill, scum multi kill or third party kill. Third party discussion got shut down a bit too fast for my liking.

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* regardless of role names Wetnurse was the second to jump on AngelRick. Now, I find uniformed lovers about as -fun as can be. So possible vig kill, scum multi kill or third party kill. Third party discussion got shut down a bit too fast for my liking.

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* regardless of role names Wetnurse was the second to jump on AngelRick. Now, I find uniformed lovers about as -fun as can be. So possible vig kill, scum multi kill or third party kill. Third party discussion got shut down a bit too fast for my liking.

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And that took a little longer to write up then I thought. Time for bed. I'll be able to check in sporadically but I can't really make big posts from work which ends 3ish hours before Day end.

 

Eido can you have someone remove the triple automerge? If not, that's cool. Just a little annoying as I thought it was multiple additions to the post.

 

/me sighs

Rescind Vote

Happy birthday, mishie... I guess.

I think Kalas is town, but I'm not at all confident about this. It's just that this is the way I imagine he would play as town after the two clusterfucks that were his last two town games.

Rubicon and Sacrifice are definitely my primary choices, in this order.

Lynch: Rubicon

For scumminess and especially info. I don't like how he's gone back to the background on day 2 after that first day. And I don't like how everyone is seemingly letting him.

 

Republic21: Good enough for me, and if you could continue to post like that (but maybe not as much) it would be great.

Rubicon: Still didn't share what his suspicions from day1 were. I can support a lynch vote on him, but I'll refrain to give mine, he is already at 3 votes.

Sacrifice: As Bill Door said, if we let him go because of his derpiness and he is revealed scum at the end, we deserve to lose.

So for the moment:

Lynch Vote : Sacrifice

Rubicon or/and Sacrifice need to go, Rubicon is already at 3, so Sacrifice gets my vote.

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Rescind Lynch : Republic 21

Rescind Lynch : Sacrifice

Lynch : Sacrifice

Just to be sure.

 

The lynch on Mishie doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I'm fine with lynching Sacrifice, too. I don't see how one them can not be scum.

Rescind Vote

Lynch Vote: Sarifice

We don't have much time people. Get posting and/or voting.

Uh ... what? You want me to post less?

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Lynch Vote: Sacrifice

/hategrammaticalerrors