fonti - why does scum!dLGN get so upset that the d1 wagon reverted back to proph instead of lynching Jan?

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so why is rubicon mafia while kaidash is just a shitgoblin? if you're going to arbitrarily use a read on ONE PLAYER while you analyze and sort EVERYBODY else due to VCA (because fonti is technically clear to you because of her voting, too), then you'd better have a fucking good reason.

 

He's on Rubicon D1 instead of piling on to Proph, and I kind of feel like fonti would have caught him if he's mafia since he's blatantly sheeping her. I wouldn't say he's clear, though.

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Actually KaiDASH could be mafia if Rubicon is town I think?

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Prophylaxis (6): KaiDASH (#603), Fontisian (#633), Delphine (#707), dLGN (#712), Koalas (#727), Rubicon (#728)
Rubicon (2): Newcomb (#697), Prophylaxis (#721)

Man that looks pretty bleh though.

 

Am I the only one that cares about the fact that Newcomb does not like myself or LochNess because we are neither on the mainwagon or counterwagon at EoD1, but ignores the fact that kai is not on either by moving him on my wagon (or he fucked up formatting).

And then he gives kai a freebee shitgoblin card for no reason.
The thing is, that it was to obvious to be w/w, but it is such a shitplay that i would prefer some reasons to go with it.


Also up until the flashwagon formed at eod1 there was no 2nd wagon. unless you are mad for ppl not hammering early, you can be mad at everyone in the game because they were not able to try to get a second wagon going, which btw is shitplay if you are hoping to read into any votelogic.


Also a general problem this game for citrus. please keep a constant End Of Day, switching that stuff around every day is really bad for everyone involved and also fucks a lot with votes.

 

10 points for House Jan.

 

I am fine with parts of your analysis, the kai thing is nothing short of bad play, and the the part about LochNess and me is just god awful, not the conclusion but the read.

Being upset that neither LochNess or myself are on the mainwagon during the day, when it would have put the wagon in hammer range, is clueless gaming deluxe.


Oh yeah and for an objective point of view,:
You can put Newcomb in the 2-3 cluster with the other guys, outside of him clearing himself, there is no reason to clear him ofvca and stuff, i think.

 

Why are you guys nitpicking my VCA bullet points instead of looking at the overall picture / gamestate and drawing conclusions?

 

because you don't even use it well, imo

 

THEN DO YOUR OWN.

sheesh.

 

no, I don't find it as useful as you do.

but if you are going to use more forced emphasis to call rubicon obviously mafia it's not a good look to both

1. not have a reason when immediately asked multiple times
and
2. instead begin to talk about the world in which rubicon is actually town and the other shitgoblin kaidash is mafia

because yeah, it's so obvious that it's actually a completely empty accusation.

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also, I'm home!!

i'm hungry af and need to take care of my dog but I am around for the night and super amped to lynch some fucking mafia ^_^

 

dLGN if you're town I don't know who I'm going to be more angry at postgame, you or me.

 

I am town and am completely fine with you and everybody else being upset with me. Someone is very likely going to be.

 

You shouldn't be - I don't play mafia to get angry at people; it's not gone well in the past.

Rubicon is obviously mafia because he's on Proph at the tail end of multiple wagons and he was the counterwagon to town D2, btw.

 

Because I am unsure about the gamestate, and you are doing really weird shit and i would like to know why.
And bullet points should be the part about your vca that are actually bulletproof and not the vague part of it.

Your overall picture is that you believe fonti is town for reasons stated, and kai is town for .. nothing.

that leaves .. everyone else.

Well scum!Newcomb would put one of his partners in the big group and one would be in the other group, he lynches through the big group, sacrifices his partner if need be and wins the game right there.

I agree that Rubicon is likely scum for another reason that i saw during the night :

Rubicon wanted to lynch Prof d1, so far so good.
Wagon on me builds up, he says that he would hammer if need be, but wants prof dead.

Then this happens :

So then the first ppl switch over to proph and this happens :

With this he basically forces a no lynch, which is always the worst outcome for town. (He voted at xx:59 - no way town moves back on me at that time)

I would like to hear Rubicons motivation for moving his vote that late, because forcing a no vote is never the right move as town, even if it looks good on the surface because a town survived instead of dying (which we know after lynching said person the following day, giving scum a second nightkill)

Vote : Rubicon

I have more thoughts on that matter, but this should be a good start to maybe get something going beyond mechanics/vote talk.

 

i'll continue this soon. I think it'll be useful. brb.

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interesting catch by jan in the context of this explanation... he was completely aware of the switch back to proph and hence the "YES THANK YOU" post and yet switched after that forcing no lynch...

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to be fair I said upset. i'm fine with people being upset. it happens. you get a read, you believe it, and you roll with it. mistakes happen. angry, nah. I don't stay angry. but if you do hopefully that is minimized.

i just don't understand why that reason is necessarily mafia. mafia are going to try and appear town. we're all (probably, idk for sure) decent players. who is going to do something that is lazy, considered a scumtell to people playing the game, and otherwise easily avoidable? to make THAT the reason why someone is mafia, rather than analyzing their perspective, their thoughts on players / the gamestate, etc. is just downright bad imo.

VCA is just silly to me. you're playing this forum mafia format where people post at length from their perspective and rather than analyze their tone, their pov, their analyses, their questions/follow-up, etc. you're choosing to ignore that and call a player mafia for being late to the party on a town lynch. that's just... boring. I see deeper analysis in your average EM game ffs.

yes, it's a tool. a starting point. but if you don't couple it with something that shows me you know a damn thing about what either rubicon or kaidash has even done this game, what either of them has thought about this game, ANYTHING... I don't know how you expect me to take you seriously let alone read you as town.

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also while I make "too bad to be mafia" reads myself, idk if this is the proper place to say that. kai has townread newcomb. there has been very little poking or testing between the two, it just happened and was accepted and hasn't wavered. that is the more concerning part that is just emphasized by the fact that he writes off analyzing him in that VCA post.

like, we're talking about a player who was suggesting fonti could be bussing prophylaxis and wouldn't necessarily be clear even with a scum prophylaxis flip. LIKE, PLEASE. now you're clearing fonti because she wanted to flip to Jan at the EOD despite the town proph flip, and you're clearing kaidash for being a shitgoblin and are totally unconcerned that he may be pocketing you?!?

GTFO.

 

Vote: Rubicon

Jan's catch is really good.

dLGN and Newcomb should stop fighting. Newcomb: dLGN was right there with me for all of the push off Proph and onto Jan. dLGN: Newcomb's paranoia is indicative of his townplay, his read on Delphine made sense and was good, and he's pushing on likely mafia over you.

I want to know why Kai is voting for dLGN.

 

I think he is more likely town than mafia but this is the only way I am going to be able to get out of my tunnel. I read people better in interactions and with pressure. That's what this is.

I think I am wrong on one of you (fonti), newcomb, or delphine and I still think it's least likely to be delphine, despite some oddities here and there. going to respond to her post after I eat dinner now.

I take it that by moving your vote your read on me has changed but you continuing to ignore questions I and others ask you isn't super helpful, fonti. I'm dropping it but not exactly by choice. Would be frustrating to lose to, but that part is more on me for letting it go. w/e.

 

Let's play a game called "who out of these votes genuinely believes Proph could be scum?"

 

Never thought you were mafia, dude.

Wanted a reaction from you and Kai, since I'm super out of the game, and was hoping that would help, but then the Rubicon thing happened and I got impatient.

 

So your stance is that I'm terrible at mafia and should probably stop playing, got it. VCA is definitely the first time I've ever mentioned having a problem with Rubicon's play this game, and I certainly didn't vote for him yesterday or develop a case on him D1, you're completely right.

Hint: if you continue to knock me for nitpicks while failing to take into account the big picture, I might just tunnel you until one of us is dead, so back the fuck off.