Because this entire game scum have only gotten 2 kills through?

I'm... like 5% concerned that I'm alive because I'm so far in Acio's pocket that I'm breathing his lint, but like. Realistically scum killed Titus and fonti and that's it, which is bonkers.

 

This one is a LONG thread. A big mash where I was the godfather and got greened on day 2 so basically trolled and coasted the rest of the game to a scum victory with only 1 member down on day 4? 5?

http://www.gayteenforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71770

My ISO (408 posts): http://www.gayteenforum.org/search.php?t=71770&author_id=3329

This is a bit simpler. Vanilla 13er where I rolehunted the cop night 1 and just corralled town the rest of the game.

http://www.gayteenforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71966

My ISO (153): http://www.gayteenforum.org/search.php?t=71966&author_id=3329

And a town game for comparison (we lost here tho):

http://www.gayteenforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=71674

My ISO (358): http://www.gayteenforum.org/search.php?t=71674&author_id=3329

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Because I'm still having difficulty wrapping my head around why you no killed night 2 if you're scum there, because I'm pretty sure everyone ruled out ninja.

And if that's the case and you are town, it means the only likely candidate after that is Acio who despite being a claimed and confirmed masonizer has been in the PoE the whole time because there's a shot he's a scum JOAT.

Unless it's Newcomb or Proph in which case I'm happy to lose this game because they deserve it.

And I've said that about Newcomb before which is IMMENSELY frustrating but I see neither Newcomb nor Proph mechanically operating as scum has this game in basically any universe.

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I. Don't. Know.

This game is so full of wine that I am drunk and can only stumble. I can do my best, but it's so hard to walk a straight line. If you catch what I mean by this metaphor.

I think it's Kai, but that still feels really OMGUSy at myself so I'm reluctantly saying that I think it's Kai. Because if it's Kai he no killed night 2, because Fonti tracked nothing. And that's why I'm struggling.

And if it IS Acio and my paranoia is right, neither you or Proph are probably ever going to lynch him and thus he's already won.

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That and the fact that the person who died was pushing Kai as next in the lynch order makes me think it might be Kai.

Unless it's Acio who wanted to avoid her being around for an Acio lynch in F3, not that it even would have happened.

Do you see how I'm frustrated about the two of them???

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(I'm home now btw in case you couldn't tell lol)

 

I'm probably wayyyy up here in the paranoia realm, but is there a world where scum!Newcomb just decides to bus both of his buddies D1 just for the heck of it?

Because if I actually think about it, Kai nor Cobalt /feel/ like scum.

Cobalt is pretty behaviorally townie, and Kai is somewhat cleared based off of not taking an action. It's just.. ugh.

 

imo, not a chance in hell, but STOP GIVING ME TINFOIL GRAHHHHH.

 

Neighbor chat quick and dirty paraphrase. I'm just doing the actual content and not any actual quotes or tone, this is just the bare bones content of what we talked about.

During D2:

Acio: It's strange that Titus died.

Newcomb: I'm happy we have a chat. Also agree Titus kill is odd. What's your role, Neighborizer?

Acio: One shot Masonizer. I speculate Titus was killed as a medic dodge. Also possibly so Sloth didn't have to keep pushing her.

Newcomb: I strongly townread you. I'm VT. Citrus is actual BP, y/n? Setupgaming says no, but Snowvon seems anligned with Citrus. Wait - confirm you are Masonizer, not Neighborizer? Did you learn i was town?

Acio: No, I just make chats. I'm a Masonizer. I think fonti was gambiting to provoke Sloth into a reaction.

Newcomb: Cobalt/Sloth/Von = Cobalt too blase on D1. Agree?

Acio: Agree

Newcomb: It's weird that your role doesn't have anything to do with alignments since my understanding of Masons are that they do.

Acio: I make a chat with someone, once per game, that's it. fonti gambiting and being Bulletproof is a possibility and explains why she focused on Citrus D1. This possibility amuses me. I'm scumreading Citrus and townreading Demon because Demon's VT claim is trying to be helpful, and Citrus is coming at Demon like Demon is experienced and Demon isn't experienced and Citrus should know that.

Newcomb: Demon is solid town. I'm confused by what fonti's doing but I think Sloth is lock mafia in all worlds.

Acio: She was reaction testing. Low chance she's actually investigative b/c setupgaming. Citrus reminds me of scum!Mal in WH14. Citrus soft defends Sloth D1. But Citrus also defends Sloth by going after Von, which is Weird if w/w/w. (VCA quote just before Citrus votes Von) - after that vote, he argues with fonti, then strongly attacks Von after Von claims Neutral. However excluding Kai and Cobalt, there are very few options for Sloth/Von/X. Citrus might have been saving a PR and seeing Von as a lost cause.
Prophylaxis that took like 20 minutes and that's only post 17 of 122.

Can you like, pick a timeframe / event in the game that you want to see what we were saying about it? Because holy shit this is taking forever.

 

Can you summarize what was said between the two of you around the time of my doc claim?

I want to compare something.

 

This is where I'm at as well.

We're just going in circles.

I'm willing to consider Acio by sheer PoE but holy fuck. I almost just have to tip my hat and lose to that. I think if I really really really squint I can kinda see:

1) Titus kill could be Acio not wanting to deal with her D2.
2) Cobalt saved fonti N2 because Acio tried to shoot her because he strongly PR read her and I was in the pocket.
3) Has strongly townread Demon and Miner, and ended up lynching them. (Although this is at least sort of true for everyone here. I at least fought against Demon, but not /that/ hard and I was 100% happy to vote Miner there.)
4) Has finally dropped off in energy toDay, which if his scum!meta is Snovon-Eido lite, makes sense.

Of course on the balance scale on the other side, you have him being spewed town hard by two flipped mafia, his reads lining up with mine pretty hardcore, him being cleared by multiple strong players, and him continuing to try to solve the game here and in our QT when he was under no pressure to do so if scum. Faking that shit is pretty exhausting.

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Acio: Cobalt claimed Doc. Should I claim my role? If I do, it may force mafia into killing town!Cobalt. That would be good if we lynch Kai. I may be not current on this meta, but this setup should not have a Doc that can target himself.

Newcomb: I could believe a 2-shot Doc. Not one that can self-target, though. Setupgaming is stupid and horrible. I don't know if you should claim. The Mason-Neighbor thing is bugging me.

Acio: Mason just means "players who can privately communicate" in my experience. Cobalt is too interested in staying alive given his claimed role.

Newcomb: I agree but my scumread on Kai is much greater. It's possible you're seeing Cobalt like you saw Pozzai in WH12. However, I do remember a game where Cobalt was town and not as concerned with dying (WH6 here).

Acio: Unsure about Cobalt. I do not believe he's both town and can self-protect. The potential upside for not claiming he can self protect and then doing so toNight is too high. If Cobalt is town, I wonder if he has enough doubt about you, me, and fonti to gambit like this. It's possible. As scum, though, Kai is mislynched, fonti NK, and Cobalt can be dismayed that he self targeted. It is not a brilliant plan for scum but it is not terrible.

Newcomb: Cobalt feels town, the way he's talking about the wine of protecting fonti. Do you think there's a possibility that the last scum is a Strongman? That would be very bad for us.

Acio: Cobalt does not feel sufficiently paranoid when talking to me. I don't want to misstep badly by lynching a claimed Doctor after lynching mafia D1 and D2, though. We have enough mislynches where this isn't terrible, though. If Cobalt is town though, who is scum? Ninja is unlikely, so probably Demon.

___

There's more stuff related to it later, but that's the meat of our reactions when you claimed Doc.

 

Is 1-2-3-4 really squinting THAT hard or is it just your townread getting in the way?

It's very possible that a drowning Von and Sloth decided to spew him town as hard as effing possible but I don't know the order of things so it might not have happened that way.

The rest : Thank you.

 

It's squinting pretty hard. They'd have had to decide to do that pretty much /before/ I went hard on Snow/Sloth D1. Preeeeety sure Snowvon had that "Titus what are you doing" thing when Titus was aggroing Acio and that was before my big catchup post? And it wasn't clear at all that Von was going down until like mid-D1. I think it's pretty unlikely a Sloth/Von/Acio team executes a Death Note-level plan that early into D1.

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Also what did you get out of that Neighbor Chat paraphrasing?

hopefully something, because I typed that shit by hand.

 

What you say makes sense but it's sooo difficult to just write him off as town now that it's F5.

Also, working on it.

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The discrepancy between Acio's reads here is actually interesting.

Given that he was willing to so easily write me off as town just based off of a blasé day one from me while 2/3 of the scumteam crumbled, why does he then doubt MORE when I come out with a solid doc claim, rather than feeling more comfortable with me?

Also, I've been sufficiently paranoid about him for basically the entire game since I became active. I almost got yelled at by either you or Fonti iirc for pushing on him when doubting the townblock (You / Fonti / Acio) because Acio made the most sense IF the townblock was scum, and at that point I was just considering alternate worlds.

Now that the world is that Fonti is town and you are almost always town unless you're TRAGICALLY steamrolling me again, and two of you are still alive, I'm even MORE paranoid. And given the potential for the scum JOAT with the way town was stacked, I can see a strategic reason for balancing the game with a masonizer shot in there so that scum has a solid foothold in town.

Once you proposed that, I can't get my head out of the one role that had a masonizer shot on my scumteam in the Movie Villains game I linked (granted it was a crazy role, but that was one of its abilities though the chat was only for one cycle). I'd hate hate HATE to lose to Acio here or in F3 solely because he's got you so firmly townreading him.

Acionyx I'd like you to address everything I've said here and also verbally consider whether or not Newcomb has YOU in his pocket and not the other way around. I'd like to get perspectives from everyone on each scenario of each person being mafia if possible to weigh things out.

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And I mean, I get that the game progressed from D1 to the point when I claimed doc but I don't think I had any sort of change in tone or otherwise scummy thing that I'd done to give Acio a REASON to waffle on that early read especially after I claimed a town role.

 

Well, yeah.

No one is here in F5 because they didn't make a good play as mafia.

Except Kai.

lel

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

 

(my point being that you can make a pretty solid case that every one of the five people alive right now is town, so you can't just write off anyone anymore as obvious, because it's not obvious)

 

AHAHAHAHA

Even if we lose at this point this game is worth it because of that comment.

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Yeah I get that. That's why I want as much discussion as possible from every living player about each other player and whether or not they could be scum, or how they could be scum, just to weigh things out and gauge other perspectives aside from my own.

 

Ehh, I /sorta/ see what you're saying about how the read changed, but I changed my mind several times as well.

You have to consider the context - the "Cobalt is too blase to be scum" thing was either late D2 or N2 when it looked like we were straight wrecking scum and fonti hadn't come out with the track of Kai yet, so in my mind - I'll let Acio speak for himself but this is my impression from our chat - it was just like "zzzz ez game ez life it's Kai and if not we can kill like a billion people."

When you'd claimed the landscape had changed considerably - fonti's track on Citrus looked good for him, fonti's track on Kai looked /really/ good for him, and you claimed a role that's pretty <_< ???? wtf in this setup, especially since you claimed you could self target.

 

Okay, I mean, I see that.

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A bit of forward predictions I've been working on given Newcomb/Proph not up for lynch toDay:

If Kai is lynched and game doesn't end, and it's Acio, I see ALWAYS a F3 of Cobalt - Newcomb - Acio.

If Kai is lynched and game doesn't end, and it's Proph, I see a F3 of Newcomb - Acio - Proph or Cobalt - Newcomb - Proph.

Second scenario with Newcomb gives me the same F3s in which case town loses because lolNewcomb.

I think both Acio and Proph can easily beat me in a F3 and that's what gets me worried.

If I'm lynched today, and scum is Kai, I see F3 winding up as Kai - Proph - Acio because I don't see scum Kai bringing Newcomb into F3 with him without a Cobalt to scapegoat.

If I'm lynched today and it's Acio we wind up with Newcomb - Acio - Kai because Acio is never not bringing Kai for an easy win given that he's been in the PoE for basically the entire game.

If I'm lynched today and scum is Proph we're looking at Newcomb - Proph - Kai for the same reasons.

If Acio is lynched today and it's Kai he's almost always lynched F3.

If Acio is lynched today and it's Proph we're probably looking at Proph - Newcomb - Kai again, though Kai is interchangeable with me here because Proph could beat both.

Though I have a feeling it's down to Cobalt / Kai for lynch priority today given how solid both Newcomb and Proph seem of Acio.

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Basically, I'm brought to F3 if I'm not lynched because scum almost always wins there.

You know, it might actually be BETTER if I'm lynched toDay. But I'd really rather fight to the end of it all.

 

God damn Cobalt, how is that coming from scum.

If you're mafia let's just say I'll be impressed.

I really really really hope it's just Kai because literally anyone else makes me look like a bit of an idiot. With a bonus idiocy multiplier of about 10x if it's Acio.

 

I'm pretty sure we're all hoping it's just gonna be Kai if he winds up being the lynch today. It would be soooo much easier to not have to drag this through F3.

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If I were mafia here I would have lolragequitted days ago, lmao.

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Mmkay, sleep time. 4am. Nini.

 

how is theorycrafting LYLO configs a town thing.

he's getting you to think past the sale, where we don't lynch cobalt today and cobalt is in charge of picking the lynch tomorrow.

 

I thought Cobalt's entire point with that exercise was that in zero worlds would he be in charge of picking the lynch tomorrow and so it might actually be better if we mislynched him toDay.

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Kai if we lynch Cobalt and he flips 2 shot Doc what world are you selling tomorrow?