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Most headslapping moments of Harry Potter canon

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Download, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. esran

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    But Voldemort can't leave Harry alone. He can't stand the thought that someone out there has the power to kill him. He's so afraid of death he runs right toward it.
     
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    Some of these have already been mentioned. All of them could have been made to work within the story with some tweaking, but they just flat out didn't. At least not for me.

    Let's Lie to the Goblin! - In DH when the trio are discussing what to do about Griphook and the sword of Gryffindor. ...Seriously, idiots, why did no one ever bring up the obvious? "Okay, well, we need the sword for a while for our mission to defeat Voldemort, but once we're done with that it's all yours." Instead Harry ends up being intentionally misleading about the whole thing for no damn reason at all. Possibly the largest headslap for me personally, since it was so blatant. Mike-Smith's review says it better than I do here and here.

    Magic Thestral Ride - Harry was really gungho to rescue Sirius, but the 'riding Thestrals to London' thing did not work for me. It could have, if it had been shown as a last resort, but it wasn't. Harry is skilled on a broom, and despite his own having been confiscated he could have either tried to retrieve it or borrow/steal one from another student. He could have gone to Hogsmeade and tried to Floo. Could have gone back to the castle and tried to Floo. Could have gone to ask a 7th year student to apparate them to London. (Admittedly these are not all good choices, as he might not have wanted to return to the castle for fear of running into Snape or getting caught. It's more that such options were never considered.) But riding Thestrals without any of those things even seeming to come up? Didn't work for me.

    Harry v Malfoy in HBP - I understand why no one wanted to believe Harry about Draco. From an adult's POV it looks like a schoolboy rivalry, and there is clear history between them. I'm less sure of why Ron and Hermione didn't offer at least a little more support regarding it, and Dumbledore's policy (despite being part of his 'plan' to save Draco) just seemed stupid since Dumbledore should have known that Harry wasn't going to just drop it.

    Snape's Obstacle Course Challenge - Leaving aside the larger issue of the 'obstacle course' in PS/SS and it being a bit stupid in general, hence all the explanations and machinations and whatnot used to explain it in fanfiction... Snape's challenge in particular irritated me from the first time I read it. Why the hell put a riddle at all? Why not go Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and just have a shit ton of vials of potions sitting around, only one of which will get you through the fire? The rest of the obstacles I was able to explain away in my head to some extent, but not that one.
     
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    Harry not knowing things he should know.

    Harry Potter, who has lived in the wizarding world for quite a while now, still doesn't know the most basic things about it.

    Year 1 - Forgivable, Harry just got in.

    Year 2 - Harry doesn't know what Floo is. You'd think after a whole year among wizards he would have heard about it once or twice.

    Year 3 - Harry doesn't know what Dementors and Azkaban are.

    Year 4 - Harry doesn't know what Apparation and Portkeys are.

    Year 5 - Harry doesn't know where the entrance to the Ministry of Magic is.

    And so on and so forth.

    By year 7, it is insane that a 17 year old Harry Potter doesn't know what the Trace is. Like what the fuck, Harry?
     
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    I just wish JKR didn't introduce new plot devices the year they were needed. She should have realised she needed things like apperation and portkeys in book one and included them then.
     
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    I kind of disagree with this. Book one would have become bloated with pointless unused exposition if this happened. Book one, arguably the best in the series, was an incredibly well done children's book, and describing apparation inside of it would not have made it better. However, JKR should have found a better plot device for explaining things then Harry being ignorant of everything.
     
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    The definitive idiotic canon moment was undoubtedly the introduction of the Felix Felicis potion, followed by the total lack of legitimate reasons why the moneybag chars weren't chugging that shit nonstop beyond a few 'it's bad for you / addictive I guess', and Slughorn's explanatory 'it's oh so expensive and rare.'

    #epic topic rehash
    #deja vu
    #obnoxious and pointless hash-tagging
     
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    It's not "it's bad for you". It's "IT TURNS INTO FUCKING POISON".

    Who knows what kind of poison it may be? It could be something that turns your internal organs into liquid shit.
     
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    Only toxic in large quantities. A drop or two now and again before super important shit wouldn't have done anything.
     
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    Slughorn says that it accumulates over time. It doesn't matter if you drink an entire bucket now or over the course of several years, the effect is the same.
     
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    Also, its expensive. The real question is why Slughorn was willing to give that stuff away, when it has to worth at least hundreds of galleons.(otherwise people would just buy that stuff)
     
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    I'm pretty sure he doesn't say anywhere that it accumulates over time.


    Different interpretations of the quote I suppose. Either way, considering Harry drinks an entire fucking mouthful in one go and doesnt suffer any adverse effects, it's fairly clear that the amount needed to produce the toxicity is pretty damn high.
     
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    It's Slughorn, he can eat candied pineapples and wear a walrus mustache, your argument is invalid.
     
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    Its a matter of competency and ability. Id say Draco is just about the youngest he would have considered, even then I'd wager he would strongly prefer someone able to Apparate. It's not quite the equivalent of a 8 year African girl with an AK47.

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    Maybe he had never seen it used and it didn't come up in conversation.
    Meh, reasonable. Remember, most of his time is at Hogwarts and maybe the Weasleys
    meh, but yeah kind of odd.
    Perfectly excusable. Why would he give a shit unless he is going to go there?
    He has known there was something up since Book 2, it probably just slipped his mind....or slipped his mind on why they should have cared.
    The only way the truth works is if you tell the goblin that Voldemort made a Horcrux or two.
     
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    Actually, the simple answer is 'DON'T ASK QUESTIONS', drilled in him for years by Dursleys .
     
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    That's quite a lazy answer. Unless a child is really really repressed, he or she will try to find out about anything new they encounter. The first month of first year, yes, I can understand him being shy and not asking questions, but after that? The "don't ask" conditioning of the Dursleys isn't gonna last long in a place of learning like Hogwarts. If nothing else, second year should have taught Harry that ignorance really is very dangerous in the wizarding world.
     
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    I really hate the hearing in book 5, the part where Fudge asks question, and Harry answers "Yes, but -" and gets cut off about 10 times in a row. Any scene that is likely to involve Fudge or Umbridge is frustrating to read.
     
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