Waco my reads aren't very long or complex right now but I'll be clear about where I am right now:

You - Perhaps more confirmation bias than anything else at this point which I why I am reconsidering. Was looking for teams of 2 and thought you and rubicon made sense for reasons. You seem towny today under a ton of pressure in the same way I didn't have much confidence about HF, though.

Rubicon - Should arguably be clear but just some paranoia about how he was very attuned to von (asked multiple people for thoughts on von iirc) from some point d1 but didn't really start pushing it hard until d2 after owner died.

Quiddity - Reading him as town because he seems different than last game where we were partners. Kinda interesting that he and fluff didn't have better reads on each other and he hasn't pushed me too hard to get a read on me but ehhh, I still think I have one on him. I think zen or fluff or someone was pushing him for being all over the place and while it may not be like... transparent, it's different than how he played as mafia which was very deliberate. Don't remember him using the kind of 'expanding the lynch pool' type of logic/thinking when faking analysis as mafia last game and while this game is different it seems towny here.

Zen - townread for the convoluted retro quote reads thing he did and some other general feels things. Has been posting really poorly and kinda hypocritically but whatever, could be rust or just town indignation kinda things, for lack of a better way of putting it briefly.

Tom - interesting in that he seems a lot more... measured? this game than he did as town last game. Like he seems reasonable and I've liked a select few of his posts (one was like, in response to is tom out of his scum range, "no, but keep reading me town." or something. It seemed comfortable to me at the time.)

I wouldn't say he's necessarily been pockety like fonti did but in general he's been approaching the game kinda piecemeal focused on the day and lynch at hand (waco) while not really thinking about the game at large (others, if the game continues, paranoid worlds, etc.) Like last game he was super adamant about some pretty crazy worlds and reads. Yes, there was a vigi, yes he was under enormous pressure etc. etc. but just... idk, it's very different and as a result reads more mafia to me.

Miner - clear.

 

You guys are hilarious. I have 5 of the 6 votes I don't make on me. There was no comeback regardless of what I say

 

Also, Waco, I'm gonna assume that Von hasn't been scum since that game (well, beyond MM7, which I played in with him, not sure how chronologically that works out). If that is true, then it's been a long time (over a year) since he's played scum on this site. He also (correct me if I'm wrong) plays on other sites. Given that length of time, why would whoever his partner is in this game play normally as mafia?

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wouldn't*****

 

Miner, I'm not really sure what your asking there, can you rephrease?

 

Waco, you have no idea how much I've been doubting myself the entire game.

 

I've been scum with Vaimes in the last year!
He got lynched day 2.

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3 week phases, no daychat.
But still.

 

Basically, you mentioned that it'd be suicidal for you to not try to go deep into the game if you were Von's partner, based on previous experience.

I'm asking you if it isn't plausible that, given the amount of time between this game and Von's last scumgame, plus the way that he normally can get himself townread, his scum partner can get away with playing their normal style of mafia?

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dLGN

Based on your readslist you pretty much read everyone as town.

Does this mean we should lynch you?

Everyone else should probably take note of that post btw.

 

Then your post was confusing at best in how you phrased him.

???

What do you think I've been doing with the walls on owner, Rubicon, you, Fonti, and Rubicon Part Deux if you don't consider them tunnels? What do you think I'm doing on you now?

In other games I've been more carefree. I had a poor understanding of QT usage and had crumbs to put down. I got modkilled in HP Mafia due to my lack of understanding, and I made a right ass of myself in the MTGSalvation game I replaced into afterwards. I already explained this to owner D1, I'm take due precautions to minimize mistakes this game - and after my confidence on owner/Vaimes/Fonti has turned out to be mistaken, yeah, I'm falling back on older habits of trying to trust the consensus(sorry HF).

If you flip town, c'est la vie, another mistake and if I survive, then yes, at that point I will put forward the effort to try and find Vaimes' partner. With 7 alive right now we can myslynch twice, endure another NK, and come up 5 toMorrow. If we myslynch again we fall to 4 at DayEnd and scum NK to bring it up to 3 on the final Day, entering LYLO.

And shouldn't my activity once I did kick it into gear between Rubicon and owner D1 count against your theory on scum!Vaimes having me for a partner? Or am I once again misunderstanding your spiel in your last post about his tactics?

 

Like, even your reads on Waco and tom (who are apparently your scumreads) read like townreads.

Just so we're clear here.

 

For lack of a way of putting this politely, this is one of the most inane things I've ever been asked in a mafia game.

 

10 minutes to DayEnd.

 

I think how the partner plays it depends on the partner. Looking at the game as it played out, I think Von still has issues projecting town as mafia. But the bulk of my thoughts here are more to the effect of Von's partner can effect Von's game rather than thinking about the reverse being true

In any case someone who partners with Von probably has to assuming to win, they'll be the last one standing. If/How people adjust their game for that varies.

For me, ideally one of these days I'll find a balance between getting shot N1, and early mislynch, but we'll see.

 

Yes, I read most of the players in this game town. All but one of them are town, after all. I do not have a confident scumread. I have varying degrees of confidence in towncases for everybody, though.

I think for all he's done today waco isn't my top scumread anymore.

I think that I have the least reason to call tom town out of everybody else. I think he's been very different than he was last game. I don't know if it's because the game is significantly different or that he is mafia.

I think I would prefer to lynch tom the most today.

Not very complicated beyond that.

Lynch Vote: tom

 

Unofficial Vote Count:

Waco(5): Quid(#1443), Rubicon(#1445), Zenzao(#1468), Miner(#1487), tom(#1518).
tom: Waco(#1514).


Abstaining: 1, dLGN.

With 7 alive, it is 4 to soft lynch, and 6 to hard lynch.

DayEnd is 8 minutes away.

 

Let's not CFD today.

I think more or less follow what fonti laid out. I mean, sure she wanted tom today, but whatever Waco was in her PoE as well.

 

Also, Waco, considering CFD's, your assuming anything regarding your lynch being certain is kind of backwards, but fine.

 

Most of your walls are 2+ days old and pretty much irrelevant to the game-state at this point beyond some of the Rubi stuff.

Your activity surge in thread doesn't really affect you in the Vaimes partner thread. Clearly you were around regardless, but honestly I don't think that simply would be enough. At best that theory is null for you, and worst it's slightly against, but that's just a guess

 

Ninja'd twice.

 

Not that I'm feeling particularly confident defending tom, but I can say for certain that his range is... uh... pretty large.

 

I don't know if anybody else agrees. Maybe it's just waco and I can't really articulate why and he's just putting in a lot of WIM but I think he's had some towny thought processes today while tom and zen certainly haven't.

I like Quid's response to who is it if not Waco and he was like..... uh idk dLGN? It came across as belief in the waco scumread, not a mafia who knows the game isn't going to end today and who needs to have other ideas in the front of his mind.

I like Rubicon's tone today, sort of responses to me yesterday, and effort and have vaguely outlined why I just have a bit of paranoia there but not much else.