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Mountainous Mafia #1

Discussion in 'Little Italy' started by Eidolonic, Feb 21, 2017.

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  1. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    Depends on if you know our meta and experience with each other.

    Anyone who knows me can tell you I don't bus, as a rule, except in very rare circumstances. I think bussing is almost always a bad plan, even when it works. Take any team that wins by bussing, and the odds are pretty good they could have won more easily if they worked together.

    I especially don't bus Vaimes, and especially when he has temporary RL commitments that keep him from playing his best.

    Partly because it's a shitty thing to do to a partner. And partly because when I'm scum and almost everyone thinks lynching my partner is objectively bad play due to IRL reasons... I tend to agree with them. Duh.

    Also I don't bus D2 in a mountainous. On DLP, where I haven't survived to endgame as scum in years.

    When it's so easy to lynch Waco instead.

    The only reason I lynch Vaimes D2 in this scenario is because I believe he's scum, and I think he's scummier than any other wagons.
     
  2. tom

    tom First Year

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    Quiddity
    That's all I've got, babe.

    Actually it feels like a lot. Two hard townreads, a "probably just town" read on DLGN, and a vote on Rubicon.
    I feel good.
     
  3. Quiddity

    Quiddity Headmaster

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    Reads are cheap. I want arguments.

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    Rubicon why did town!you not have a problem with voting Vaimes given his IRL?

    Like, walk me through the difference between those.
     
  4. dLGN

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    I don't know how much more there is to keep going on, tbh. I think I've projected pretty obvious town and just need other people to do the same.

    Rubicon's points on you are fair and maybe I'd go for tom today after all.

    And to Quiddity idk man, you feel super different to last game and I got that ready pretty easily skimming when I subbed in and I haven't really seen any reason to think otherwise. I'd imagine I seem different too at least here in the late game.

    I will say when you were defending yourself with the 'why would I plop a vote down on partner von and leave the thread and not get much more credit / leave it there' I felt like saying it's really, really hard to justify moving that vote and looks really bad when von flips mafia, either that day or later, so unless you think he can survive and win f5 with you of course you wouldn't move it. And we both know you have a thing about being right about partners lol.

    But I just don't think you are mafia and don't really care to pursue that point.

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    Also Rubicon I'm kinda curious how you read my probing of Zen scummy while Quiddity took issue with the same thing(s) that I did. Did we not do pretty much the same thing? I felt like I was being careful to push Zen to make some reads, not push scum and have them shut down. It's weird that you read that scummy of all things when it's kind of what you claim to do, yourself:

     
  5. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    My win condition. I have no moral obligation to let scum live just because they're busy IRL. He was scummy for reasons that had nothing to do with his activity.
     
  6. tom

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    Too bad.
    <3
     
  7. dLGN

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    One hard townread is Quiddity and the other is Zen? Did I miss where you hard townread Zen?

    Did you say something else besides that?
     
  8. H_A_Greene

    H_A_Greene Professor –§ Prestigious §– DLP Supporter

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    Lynch Vote Tom.

    DayEnd is 3 hours and thirty minutes away.

    ---------- Post automerged at 18:35 ---------- Previous post was at 18:29 ----------

    Unofficial Vote Count
    tom(2): Quiddity(#1620), Zenzao(#1628).
    Rubicon(1): tom(#1616)

    Absent (2): Rubicon, dLGN.

    With 5 alive, it is 3 to soft lynch, and 4 to hard lynch.
     
  9. dLGN

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    Dinner soonish again and I'll be around for EOD.
     
  10. Quiddity

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    I'd respond on Von!vote, but I don't think I get lynched from here and no time so cbf.


    Yes, DLGN, you do seem very very different. But I'm not familiar enough with your play, and I have enough esteem for you to believe you could shift styles easily.

    I don't scumread you, and I do in fact agree that you've made good points today.

    But deciding if I'm right or not on you basically wins the game here. And Rubicon's points are real, no matter that some of those points I agreed with.


    Trying to decide if tom edging towards clearing dLGN is just him pocketing me further, or actually towny.
     
  11. tom

    tom First Year

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    I've been hard townreading Zen so long it feels like second nature.

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    I mean...
    If I was scum it would be making it harder for myself tomorrow and also isn't even working so...

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    Hardclaim cop

    Rubicon - W
     
  12. Quiddity

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    That's why it's pockety.

    And I've been very open about that being a line of reasoning I focused on.
     
  13. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    tl;dr of my current view on dLGN/Tom:

    I think Quiddity and Zenzao are town.

    Tom is scummy. He tends to sound sketchy as both alignments. He pushed hard against lynching Vaimes. His actions also indirectly caused the Vaimes lynch.

    dLGN is not scummy. He tends to sound disturbingly genuine as both alignments, if Stardew is anything to go by. He pushed hard for lynching Waco instead of Vaimes, but his posts about a Waco/Rubicon scumteam are really odd for someone who knows their partner might be lynched in a few minutes.

    dLGN is trying a lot harder than Tom right now.

    My gut says that Tom makes more sense.
     
  14. H_A_Greene

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    And I'm probably going to be unavailable through the rest of the Day, folks. Got to assist with my family, it not in the way I'd expected earlier. I think tom is the right choice right now.
     
  15. tom

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    I am scummy, but I always am (which, haven't we only played together in mimefia?). And was against the Vaimes lynch but made it happen.

    Why do I think you know I'm unlucky town?

    And why does this post look like you're leaning DLGN over me?

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    Don't you want to just win today?
     
  16. dLGN

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    I can't decide between tom and rubicon but I think if we get it wrong I can outplay either in f3 so I'm not tooooo worried...?

    Both have/had kinda flimsy pushes on me - Rubicon hasn't addressed the differentiation between me/Zen and Quiddity/Zen, and beyond that it's kinda like... fear lynch? Idk, I don't think I played SVM well but I've sounded towny before as mafia in a really old game nobody here was in... I'm definitely not that strong as mafia though and this is probably out of my range tbh.

    Ehhhh.....

    It's weird, tom's positioning seems really difficult to get out of as mafia. He's either banking on the Quiddity pocket if he's mafia or to kinda go heads up with me in f3? Rubicon is taking a much careful stance... ehhhhh.

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    Lynch Vote: Rubicon
     
  17. Quiddity

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    Vote Rubicon
     
  18. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    No problem with your zenzao push. It's useful. You ended up calling him town, too.

    I think you are probably town for your posts around the Vaimes lynch.

    I also have no context for reading you, compared to everyone else here, except that watching you play Stardew in obs I was absolutely convinced you were town and you weren't. Mostly for your posts around the Jarizok lynch. (I've played a lot with zenzao, several times with Q, several times with Tom.)

    That's just the reality, sorry.

    Also,

    vote: Tom

    If I'm lynched today, legacy is lynch Tom. Don't rush into the last lynch. Zenzao should stop sheeping if he's alive, and Tom should fight a hell of a lot harder than he currently is if he's town.

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    Tom's positioning is he knows he's going to lose.

    Once you realize he knows that it basically explains everything he's doing right now.

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    Optimism on your part?

    I am not leaning dLGN over you, sorry man, there's paranoia but I think you're mafia. If I die today that would be my final answer.

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    other legacy stuff: Quiddity still town, he wouldn't have played this game this way as scum.

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    Do not lynch Zenzao even if he's still alive tomorrow.
     
  19. dLGN

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    I changed my mind if we can still swing this to tom. This doesn't sound endgame from rubicon. tom could be banking on the pocket as an out tomorrow.

    Lynch Vote: tom
     
  20. Rubicon

    Rubicon High Inquisitor DLP Supporter

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    That's... good? What specifically changed your mind?

    why do you people do this to me

    Was thinking earlier that this overly negative reaction to a simple question looks like distancing.
     
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