I was thinking the other day about the HP universe and one of my runaway thoughts took me back to the books and how the British PM was aware of the magical world. Now a brief extrapolation of that fact leads to a whole host of hypotheticals; for example, during wartimes, the Cold War especially, everybody "in the know" must have realized how easy it would have been for the enemy to find and entice a wizard to apparate in and detonate a weapons cache or shrink and steal a nuclear warhead and disapparate back to their home. This brought me to the conclusion that, being aware of the Magical World's powers and at the same time not being mentally handicapped, muggle leaders would have probably asked at one point for some wizarding assistance even if they recognized the need for maintaining the Statute of Secrecy.

Anyway all theses random thought trains got me wondering if any fan fiction writers have really expounded on the few areas where the Muggle world and Magical world touch.

I read the story in the library about obliviation and thought it was fantastic. Don't remember they name but we can skip that one.

Also, I'm not interested in reading the ten million and one stories about muggle army's fighting and winning the war or anything like that. These seem to be all written by fanbois with simultaneos huge hard-on for military hardware. Honestly after the first bullet flew, the deatheaters would just charm their robes impervious to lead (I read a story recently where someone was saying that after WWII wizards charmed settlements against extreme heat, radiation and wind in response to the bombs dropped in japan.-bonus points for the title).

 

You read Memorium, I'm guessing.

Anyways, muggle and wizarding interaction/cooperation in terms of nuclear weapons would either lead to nuclear war or complete nuclear disarmament. Hence Perfect Lionheart. His fic still sucks, though.

 

Yes, memorium, that was it.

To be clear I'm not looking for a Fic about nukes, that was just the thought process taht brought me here. I'm looking for any fic that touches on or focuses on those points where the magical world and the muggle world touch and overlap

 

Oh.

https://forums.darklordpotter.net/showthread.php?t=20998

 

There's that one where Harry ends up in the army and casts fiendfyre a lot. I think based in Spain, for the beginning. Last I checked, it was being set up for Harry to end up king or something like that.

Its by the guy who did the Dark Empire series, and it reads very similarly, so if you liked those, you'd like that.

Here we go:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5904185/1/Emperor

 

You should read Partially Kissed Hero. It has everything you need: Kung Fu, Puding and Interaction.

 

I've had a story I want to write for a while now (whether it actually gets written is improbable though), but one of the ideas I had was pretty much a British intelligence agency aimed at observing and controlling the magical world.

Can you see any modern government being told of potential threats and then being happy to let another organisation not directly in their jurisdiction handle it?

No one fears muggles, so I doubt anyone would be worried about them infiltrating and spying on magical folk. There would be a host of muggleborns who probably still feel closer to the muggle world than the magical one, and would happily work for such an agency. Plus the magical world will be used to dealing with espionage in the form of imperius and other curses, instead of a century worth of muggle based intelligence theory and tactics.

In this case they have enough subtle influence to start pushing through laws to control and regulate magic which is allowed to be practiced or taught. Under the guise of stopping dark wizards, they're really just aiming to limit the ability of having a population where even a single civilian may have the ability to control, fight or infiltrate virtually any Muggle authority.

 

That is all.

(Raises interesting questions about the international jurisdiction of the British wizarding government).

 

No, no it doesn't. It's just nonsense. It's a throwaway joke that JKR offered, like a stand up comedian. The jokes are not part of a consistent narrative. Some make you laugh, and some even make you think about life in the real world, and the show was worth the price of admission, but taking all the funny bits and imagining a world in which all of them are true simultaneously is wrong. Not only is it counter-productive, you're just using the work not in the way the author intended. You're supposed to have a short attention span and forget the details. And never, ever consider the implications. That ruins the magic.

 

You do know you're talking to Taure, don't you?

 

Chiming in like this in response to someone bringing up Canon is really like coming into a discussion on theoretical physics and saying "GOD DID IT."

 

Yes, I know who Taure is. I've been here five years longer than you. I've tried to rationalize canon since 2001, when I was finishing high school. No, it's not like saying "God did it". It's like saying: "this fictional universe was not meant to be internally-consistent, don't try to interpolate, extrapolate or role play it as if it was. That way leads only to ruin." There are lots of fun fantasy stories that take place in a universe that has no workable physics, demographics or economy. When you think/write about such a universe, don't try to apply reason to it. Just enjoy. Asking why didn't they use any of a thousand deus-ex machinas lying around is not productive. Asking where the energy goes is not productive. Asking what the case law re mudbloods stealing magic from purebloods is not productive.

 

Take that knobbly stick out your ass man!

I figure all the various wizarding governments operate together, considering there was no magical army to combat the death eaters, just police and detectives.

 

I don't even know whether the Death Eaters were a criminal enterprise like MS13, a revolutionary political party like the Marxists, a young gentelmen's club (c.f. Drones Club) getting out of control, or anything else.

We don't know how many members they had (two dozen?), we don't know how conspirational it was in its organization (many DEs certainly knew other by name. How many could name the entire organization? Malfoy?), we don't know how rich the organization was (How much of the government could Malfoy buy?), we don't know how many were fighters, we don't know how many people they killed (dozens?), we don't know why they killed the people they killed (political opponents? prominent aurors?).

If they wanted to overthrow the government, we don't know enough about the government to theorize about how they wanted to overthrow it. If they wanted to take all the wealth, we don't know enough about the economy to theorize about how they would achieve it. If they wanted to perform an ethnic, religious, cultural, etc. cleansing, we don't know enough about the demographics to... you get the idea.

We don't know how the magical conflict in the 1940s related to WWII. We don't know if it was global. We don't know much about international wizards and how American Independence, the Bolshevik Revolution, German unification, the Great War, etc. affected wizarding geopolitics. We don't know whether magical polities have wars or not.

We don't really know about Ireland or since when do Scottish wizards speak English. To JKR, mid 19th century was a long time ago, but for Griselda Marchbanks it was during her lifetime. So tartan and railroads are newfangled in the magical world. The magical UK can't possibly so closely resemble muggle UK, because in many ways muggle UK is very recent.

 

Wolfe: If you don't think there's anything to be said on the matter, feel free to shut the fuck up.

I said it raises interesting questions. I didn't say those questions had answers.