Psychotic Cat, your example of no evidence that Harry and Ginny aren't soulmates is completely stupid. There is not a single shred of evidence saying that are either because interviews don't count a cannon if they did then the last word of DH would have been scar. There is nothing in cannon saying that they are anything more than in a relationship.

As for fanfiction, good fics are usually ones which start off earlier in cannon and only use cannon up to the point at which they start. They also don't change massive amounts of cannon to the point where it is completely unrecognizable.

Even if muggleborns did help, the wizards could kill off those few people relatively quickly, and the dementors could overtake them because it isn't easy to repel large groups of dementors. Then there is every single other reason on the list I made that you would have to work around. Second of all, the dark lords that would pop up would go after the muggles first, and regardless of what is shown in fanon, the so called light wizards are more than capable of killing. I liken it to the I can beat up my younger brother, but you had better not try it feeling. If muggles attacked, the wizarding world would not be divided. It would be a reaction similar to that of 9/11.

The wizards would put aside their differences to take out the muggles then move on with their own conflicts. You would be challenging a society that has lived off of secrecy and value it above damn near everything else. To threaten something so sacred to such a powerful group would be idiotic.

We are getting way off topic, however, so I say we drop this discussion. My original intent was to simply point out how hard it was to write this as a decent story to the person who started this thread. The only thing I really have to add to that list is that Death Eaters who know absolutely nothing about muggles were never once killed by a muggle during their raids on muggle cities. I think this is a very good indicator of how such a war would be fought. Besides, the magical world completely removed themselves from the minds and history of muggles at some point so it stands to reason that they could do it again.

 

The only one I can think of is IP 82's The last dinosaur's roar

It is in essence a time travel fic but because the muggles have gone nuts and all Christian fundamentalist on the wizards.

It's in the library and there's a review thread, I'm sorry but I'm feeling too lazy to dig it out for ya.

And owies... Sesc laid the smack down .

[Edit] My apologies Iztiak I missed your post completely. My eyes are tired and the green hyperlink on a dark green background is probably why I missed it, sorry about that.

 

Yeah, I already posted that one. He hasn't mentioned if that's close to what he's looking for yet.

 

In regards to Muggle vs Wizards. Didn't one of the books mention that low level annoyance spells like the jelly legs jinx can smash/overwhelm a shield

So would a shield charm really make a wizard bulletproof or is that speculation? There was talk about Goblin Rebellions (don't know what weapons were used), and Centaurs are armed with crossbows. So unless the crossbows are magical it seems like physical objects/weapons can pose a threat to wizards?

 

In before massive argument and lock.

 

All good points, of course, but the sheer number of Muggles, coupled with the fact that most wizards are likely to have power/skill levels more along the lines of Umbridge or Trelawney than those of Shacklebolt or McGonagall, let alone Dumbledore or Voldemort, and you have a recipe for disaster for the wizards. And let's not forget that most witches and wizards voluntarily separate themselves from the Muggle world, and therefore have no way of blending in or knowing to avoid things like surveillance cameras.

I'm not saying that the Muggles would win easily, or at all, but the learning curve for wizards would definitely be steep, and it seems their population is small enough that it wouldn't take a whole lot of casualties to be significant.

Things like Muggle-repelling charms (wards, whatever), memory charms and the Imperius Curse would go a long fucking way to evening the odds, no doubt about that. But in the warnings about Sirius in PoA, the Daily Prophet explains "handguns" as "a kind of metal wand Muggles use to kill each other." Most wizards would likely think of one of those Elmer Fudd blunderbuss guns, for fuck's sake.

Anyway, I have to agree that wizardkind would most likely pull together to try to Obliviate their way out of it and get back to secrecy, but they're all such sheep that who knows what a charismatic person like a young Riddle or Dumbledore or even a half-assed politician like Fudge could convince them of? You might very well have a full-out, no-holds-barred open season declared by the wizard equivalent of G.W. Jesus-freak Bush. (The thought of some self-righteous cock-gobbler like him with magical powers gave me a shiver just now...)

Oh, and the Dementors would put a serious hurt on Muggles, but with so few wizards able to do a decent Patronus, I think fear of the Dementors would hold that back until a last resort, with the exception of the above-mentioned fuck-it scenario.

 

Not again.

 

Whilst its ever so tempting to, you know, do this debate for the third, or would it be fourth, time I will simply suggest that you go read the other threads on this subject, which all give all possible arguments for all possible sides. From wizards flying over cities on brooms sending down blasting curses willy nilly from several hundred feet, apparating into a power plant and sending off blasting curses, same with fuel refineries etc etc etc To carpet bombing north scotland in an effort to destroy a school, nuking London to destroy a shopping centre yadda yadda yadda...

 

I saw the thread title and I freaking cringed.

 

Well it was just a post looking for fics and then it degenerated into Muggle Vs Wizards. Perhaps the thread was badly titled.

 

Agreed. I didn't want to cause a debate on it.

As a side note some people are saying muggles could never win the war, and that's right. I don't think they could.

I'm not thinking that the muggles "take it home". I think it may be more realistic if the muggle governments have been slowly preparing to wipe them out and they launch a surprise attack. After the initial assault (which reduces their numbers greatly), the wizards would break their momentum and turn it around.

It's good, but what I'm looking for is a story with quite a few chapters, something that really details the war.

 

You say you don't want to cause a debate which has been roundly smacked down and thoroughly explored by existing members and then you start debating. *facepalm*

That, amigo, was seriously dumb.

This whole debate is pointless for it is obvious:

 

I do realise this is essentially a pointless post but I have to ask: what's up with this guy's face?

 

It's mainly the timing of the shot taken. Here's a better version.