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What. The. Fuck?

Are you retarded? Do you even realize how fucking illegible this shit is? The constant fucking >_> <_< bullshit is incredibly irritating.

I know this is an old post, but jesus...every single one of his posts is like this.

OT: Snape, IMO, is not a powerful character. He is cunning, and he's intelligent, but thats about it.

He is no superman, and he definitely is NOT a fighter who swings the power in the war one way or another. I refuse to see him as anything but a petty schoolteacher who made shitty mistakes. He fucked up, and now he's paying the price for it.

You can argue all you want saying that its only because of his Dark Mark that he isn't a professional Potions Master, raking in the money, etc.

IMO, thats bullshit. Regardless of his allegiances, there would be people dying to have him invent new potions and shit if he was capable of it. Sure, in HBP we see that he's done some pretty crazy stuff with Potions...so what? I don't think he invented those spells, and he might have got those techniques from Slughorn himself.

Slughorn could have been teaching, and might have said "Oh by the way, instead of dicing them up, use the flat side of the blade to get the juices out" and Snape could have written it down.

As for the spells...here's my opinion:

Levicorpus is a nonverbal spell. Occlumency/Legilimency is a dark art. Now, please explain how James Potter, in his fifth year, knew these spells? He used it on Snape in the scene in OotP.

Now...this is James' Fifth year, not his Sixth. Snape wrote it in his Sixth year textbook. He could have gotten it from another student, or a book or whatever. And James did not know legilimency, as far as Canon would have us know, so he didn't steal the spell out of Snape's mind.

Why aren't people going apeshit over James' skills? He could use nonverbal magic in his Fifth year. He was excellent in Transfiguration. He had the balls to take on Voldemort himself, even though he was grossly out of his league.

I don't see these scribbles as anything meaningful. Snape is a petty little fucker, and its entirely in his nature to do something like learn these nifty spells and scribble them down for later practice.

I've been blasted for it before, but i'll say it again: knowing more Dark Arts spells than a 7th year is NOT such a big deal, even for a First year.

Even though they're 7th years, they don't learn the Dark Arts at Hogwarts. The only ones that they know are the Unforgivables, and that too, they only know about]/i] the spell, they don't know how to cast it.

Thats 3 fucking spells. Assume that they learn a few others, perhaps 5 more by the time that they're in their 7th year. Learning spells takes a lot of time, apparently...i'm seeing Harry's efforts as being average, so if it takes him a week or two to learn a spell, then thats about how long it takes, IMO. In the summers, the students can't perform magic...they can only read books, so that avenue is out. During the school year, they have a shit ton of spells to learn anyhow, so they don't have the 2 weeks required to learn a new spell. Since its a Dark spell we're talking about, i'd put it as being MORE difficult to learn, so i'll extend that to 3 weeks for the average student.

See where i'm going? At the end of Hogwarts, a Seventh Year only knows a handful of spells that can be called Dark spells...and that includes spells that they learn on their own. They simply don't have the time to learn more Dark Spells.

So, saying that Snape knows more Dark Spells than a 7th year is tantamount to saying "OMG! He knew 15 Dark Spells!!!!11!!1!!oneoneoneone!!!"

His motives, IMO, are simple. Its called self-preservation instincts. He supported Voldemort until Halloween 1981. Then, Voldemort got iced.

POOF! His world is in pieces.

He runs to Dumbledore for help. He knows that the Dark Lord will return...his Dark Mark hasn't disappeared. It faded away almost entirely, but it still exists. Dumbledore knows this too. Snape, AFTER betraying the Potters, some of Dumbledore's greatest supporters, tries to get back onto the Light side.

Dumbledore uses him as a spy for the future, and Snape is all too happy, since he's got a paying job, and immunity from persecution as long as the Mugwump of the Wizengamot supports him.

Voldemort returns, and Snape weighs his choices...that being the reason that he didn't immediately return to Voldemort at the Graveyard. Dumbledore is old and frail, still powerful, but not in the Dark Lord's league anymore. I once again point to the fact that Fawkes had to take an Avada Kedavra for Dumbledore in the Ministry, thus saving his life. Voldemort, on the other hand (and i assume that Dumbledore shared the second prophecy with Snape), is back, greater and more terrible than ever before.

No choice required.

Snape returns, and passes useless information to the Order. Wow...they captured SO many Death Eaters in Harry's 5th year. So much good news for the Light side.

/sarcasm

Snape is a fickle piece of shit, only out to save his hide. He resorts to Dark Magic because he isn't powerful. He works with Potions because he doesn't have the power or ability required to be something else. Otherwise, straight out of Hogwarts, he would have got himself an awesome job as an Unspeakable/Auror or something of the sort, a job where is skill is richly paid for.

 

IMO it's possible that snape didn't do everything he did for himself. We know from canon that snape seemingly didn't have a lot of friends as a teenager in hogwarts.

It could be that snape learnt these spells to try to show off to others and get some friends. He took it further by starting to learn dark arts at a young age in hopes of attracting attention to himself, from his fellow dark-art-obsessed slytherins.

When this happened, he became particularly pro-efficient in the various spells/potions and became targeted by the Dark Lord to be part of his death eaters. He happily took the chance, possibly hoping to gain some comrades or associated in doing so. He then fell too deeply into all this death eater business, something he had never really cared for and only began because of his insecurities, and ran to dumbledore to try and escape from it.

Dumbledore sympathised with his situation (possibly leading to the high levels of trust we see) and offered him the position of OOTP spy, which he accepted. The rest is exactly as it seems in the books; he is bitter at having to lead his double life and becomes the snape we all know today.

Of course, this is only an alternative possibility, no real canon evidence to back it up.

EDITED: I reunited with my long lost friend, *enter*

 

Hmm.

The Enter key is still your friend.

 

FFS KANE!

Use the fken enter key!!

gah!!!

 

He calls himself the Half-blood Prince.
*shakes head*
What kind of bastard, name himself in an egotistical way? Is he flaunting that he is some kind of royalty or is he parading that he’s from the pureblood Prince line. I think it’s both.

IMO, Snivillus is a self-serving arrogant sh*t.

 

Snape... ugh. He's a good character, someone we always know is up to something, keeps the plot mysterious and new... But in my opinion, fanfiction writers (in general) get him all wrong. I agree with pretty much everything Yarrgh! said but would like to add a bit.

All Snape bashing aside , this is my theory.

Enter Severus Snape, lonely halfblooded Slytherin. He's a greasy little kid with a large nose and a fixation with potions because he can't seem to get the practical applications of spells without doing a load of work. Because of his angry attitude, his place in Slytherin house, and his habit of self seclusion, rumours quickly pop up about him using/knowing all kinds of dark arts. I mean is it so unbelievable that he could obtain the image of a dark wizard in that way? We've seen Harry labeled as the heir of Slytherin and as a deranged lunatic...

Now that he has the image, he works hard to maintain it... actually learning some dark arts, staying reclusive and such. His bitterness is actually real, he has to work hard to keep up his image as he isn't an exceptional wizard, and Snape hates having to work so hard while all of the purebloods ride along on their fathers' coattails.

Eventually he gets an offer from Voldemort, blah, blah, you know the rest.

 

Some points to clear up in Yarrgh!'s rant about snape( to lazy to quote)
Snape returned to Voldemort after harry had told dumbledore the story. Remember in the hospital, when Black and Snape shook hands and snape looked all pale and nervous and then dumbeldore asked him to do something. He asked him to return to voldemorts side and thats backed up in HBP in second chapter when he talks to narcissa. he was serving voldy well before dumbledores death. in fact he is fully to blame for blacks death seeing as how he used so much legilimency on Harry. he could have just handed that info the voldy. Dumbeldore did not share the prophecy with snape. Snape was the intruder that was detected while DUmbeledore was with Trealwany in the hogs head. he heared it and went running to his master like a good little dog.
so yes, snape is in the true meaning a bastard that will end up dead as a lonely bastard.

 

Answer: Voldemort.

Quotes Myself from another thread:

 

While Snape is not a very likable character, I find that he is one of the most interesting characters in the whole series, Voldemort and Dumbledore aside. Like Blue said, Severus worked his ass off to get where he is. I view him as a man with average power who's ideals were greatly influenced by his mother. She was a fantastic potion's mistress, according to HBP, and I'm sure that y'all have met people who's opinions on pretty much everything match up with their parents'.

So, here's Severus Snape, halfblooded Slytherin, entranced with potions. He sees some example of power from an older student, and likes the idea that he can destroy others who try to oppress him (i.e. his father). He starts learning everything that he can about magic in general, sort of like a male, emo, greasy-haired, not-overly-bossy Hermione. However, he finds competition for the best in the year with these naturally gifted students, namely Lily and James. He despises them for the fact that magic comes easily to them, while he has to work so hard to be where he is.

School finishes, and Severus is hard pressed to find a job. Being a mean-spirited, Dark-Arts-using Slytherin reduces his job offers astronomically, because we've seen the prejudice of the wizarding world before, right? Anyways, here comes Voldy's first rise, and he seems like a juggernaut to everbody. While Dumbledore and the light view Voldemort as a threat to the balance of the world, Severus sees him as a route to power. He becomes a death eater, seeking the power that he thinks will come with the position, but finds that not all death eaters are likeminded. He becomes disgusted with all of them, and turns to Dumbledore, pleading forgiveness.

Halloween, 1981, Voldemort is banished, Harry Potter becomes the Boy-Who-Lived. Severus already has this unnatural hatred for the Potter line from James and Lily's ease at what he struggled at, and now this. Harry Potter having unmatched influence because of some fluke accident. Severus can just not seem to get a break. He has toiled for his whole life for a bit of power, but here he is, stuck teaching Potions to little snotnosed brats. When Voldemort returns, Severus joins him again, after spending 14 years working in a thankless, backwards job that he utterly hates. Remember, Snape still wants power, and views Voldemort as a route to this power, although disgusted at his peers in the Dark Lord's service.

 

Why do people constantly feel the need to justify Snape? Dumbledore was fooled. period. Just like with Pettigrew, Quirrel and Crouch Jr.

 

This topic went a whole month without comment, why did you feel the need to revive it now?
... in fact that question would be better off in it's own topic as it really doesn't belong here, and the rest of the comment was so pointlessly redundant, it's mind boggling . I feel the sudden urge to point you in this direction.

 

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