I don't like Sasuke because he won.

Pre-timeskip, everything was fine. Sasuke was relatively well adjusted. He was as good a person as anybody, often better then Naruto or Sakura. He was a genius, but still on the level of a genin.
After meeting Itachi, he went full retart. Betrayal, betrayal, betrayal. Total retart from a moral and a logistical perspective.

Post timeskip is when shit hits the fan. I'd expect some vindication now. Sasuke realizes that all the power Orochimaru gave him still isn't enough. He struggles to escape Orochimaru, while knowing he'd need another decade or two to match Itachi.

Instead, Sasuke kills Orochmaru. Like, wtf? Orochmaru invaded Konoha, took on both other Sannin at the same time. And Sasuke just kills him?
Then Sasuke proceeds to win against Deidara, who took on the whole Sand village on his own. And a while later he decides to storm the Kage Summit. With the five Kages in it. And all their bodyguards. And he gets away with it.

Sasuke never has to face the consequences of his actions. When he asked the four Hokages, I was expecting something along the lines of "I'm sorry we massacred your family. But I will stand against all enemies of Konoha, no matter ther past."
Instead, they feel indepted to him.

About nobody called him out on hs betrayal after he rejoined the good guys. Why is there no resentment towards Sasuke? He almost got five genin, his former comrade, killed.
He joined Konohas arch-enemy. He joined Akatsuki. He invaded the Kage summit. He killed the acting Hokage.

But no, in the three years since Sasuke betrayed all of them, their memories of him have only grown fonder.

 

The thing about the Hokage Summit, so true. Honestly.

Seriously, they should have just gangbanged him and turned him into Sasuke-Mush.

 

It wouldn't be the oddest thing I've seen in one of these games...

 

Tbh if Naruto after Sage Training stormed the 5 Kage summit Sasuke style I'd expect him to survive it too.

 

Oh god, not another one of those.

People like you are why we can't have nice things in the Naruto fandom.

 

Alright, first off, regardless of whether or not the full extent of Orochimaru's fuckery leading up to his defection was public knowledge or not, Sasuke knew a few things about him for certain before he defected, himself.

He knew that Orochimaru used literal cursed seals to keep his shinobi in line. He knew that Orochimaru was spiteful enough to spend over a decade building up a shinobi force to destroy his old home- and fail. He knew that Orochimaru didn't want to train him out of anything vaguely resembling the goodness of his heart, which could much more easily be said about Kakashi or just about anyone else he might have asked in Konoha.

But the most important thing that Sasuke knew was that Naruto was becoming stronger than him, Naruto's new sensei was Jiraiya of the legendary three, and he wanted some of that. Sprinkle in some subtle manipulation by the cursed seal at your leisure.

Sasuke's decision to defect to Orochimaru was many things, but reasonable in hindsight is not one of them.

No, mostly Sasuke is an asshole because he's so flighty. Allow me to explain.

He spends a solid decade of his life hating and trying to kill his older brother, who returned the favor with two separate instances of intense mental trauma. He left his home and nearly killed his best friend in the pursuit of power to kill Itachi. He labored beneath a man intent on stealing his body on the chance that he might become powerful enough to kill his brother.

Then he kills his brother. Obito gives him a Talk no Jutsu. And suddenly, fuck Konoha for putting my beloved older brother in that situation holy shit.

I'm a fan of Itachi. I think he's a pretty cool guy. But flipping 180 degrees in the span of a few minutes on your opinion of a man you've spent over half your life hating is not something reasonable people do. At the very least there should have been internal conflict. But no, fuck Konoha. They hurt my precious Itachi- or at least this stranger I know nothing about says so- so fuck 'em. Burn it down.

Then later, Hashirama hits Sasuke with another Talk no Jutsu after being Edo Tensai'd, and this time Sasuke decides that he's for Konoha once again! He even goes so far as to say that he wants to be convinced during the conversation, and afterwards he'd suddenly rather be Hokage than burn the place to the ground.

The reason that Sasuke is considered an asshole is that when it comes to the truly important things, he's unreliable. Naruto has never once faltered in his overall goal of fighting the good fight and winning respect. Now, is Sasuke's waffling more realistic? Probably. But that doesn't make any of the crazy shit he's done this side of shippuden any more excusable.

Up until he decides to change his mind again and burn the place down, sure.

 

To be fair, Hashirama's was the last in a line of Talk no Jutsu. Gaara and Naruto contributed but the real kicker was Itachi's "I will always be a shinobi of Konoha" speech backed up with a "And I totally love you, little brother" confession. And he actually went out of his way to do some real thinking before making up his mind this time.

 

Sasuke a better Hokage?

Fuck that noise. A Hokage is a Leader. And a good Leader must actually fucking give a shit about the people they're leading. Konoha is the good guys (no matter what stupid bullshit that moral relativists like Pasta Sentient try to sling), they're not perfect, and they have faults, but when you compare them to the other villages they're the nice Shinobi who don't, actually, murder innocent children just to determine which ones will be better soldiers or shit like that.

Sasuke doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone but himself (and Itachi) he would be a horrid, terrible, shitty, fuckassed leader who would drive the village into losing the spirit and will that makes Konoha so great.

Sasuke 'understands the world better'? Fuck that noise too. Sasuke understands shit except for his selfishness and his revenge. Sasuke has no place in his heart for caring about others. Sasuke would turn Konoha into the Fucking Bloody Mist all over again. But instead it would be the Burning Leaves or someshit.

Sasuke is smarter? Sure. But he uses his smarts for ass reasons in pursuits of assdom in ass ways that result in ass consequences.

Fuck moral relativism.

 

It's actually kind of strange. Itachi challenging Sasuke to get revenge is the first time anyone at all acknowledges even the possibility that Sasuke might one day be his equal. His father had certainly never done so.

How sad.

 

What is with all this vitriol Walking Disaster? I feel like you are being the Odran of the Game of Thrones thread.

 

Konoha would never accept Sasuke as Hokage. At least they shoudn't.

Not while Naruto, Kakashi, Gai and Tsunade and who knows who else are still alive. Sasuke betrayed Konoha, no way is he going to lead it now.

 

I agree that he shouldn't be Hokage; I'm merely stating he would be a better one than Naruto.

Naruto has no administrative skills. The only thing he has is Gary-stu Talk no Jutsu that would allow him to get out of any diplomatic problems he would almost certainly cause. Naruto as Hokage, if things were realistic, would destroy Konoha by accident.

Sasuke should not be Hokage because of his actions, but I would state that he has the attributes that would allow him to be such. Honestly, if he had stayed in Konoha as opposed to leaving and eventually reached the same point of wanting to be Hokage I would see him as the best possible candidate.

And actually, I'm a Universalist in regards to morality. I'm more so claiming unreliable narrator from Kishimoto's BS. We're seeing Konoha as the good guys because that's what Kishimoto wants to portray. But in the end, they are just another village of assassins and killers.

 

Naruto's Talk no Jutsu invalidates any need for administrative skills. Talk No Jutsu would see simple, naive Naruto Emperor of the Elemental Nations within five years.

More seriously, administrative skills in no way make a good leader, nor are they necessary for one.

 

It's not simply administrative skills. I worded that poorly. I mean that Naruto would not be able to make the hard decisions required of a leader. He would end up being taken advantage of by every single other nation in the world.

Konoha would be destroyed by the other nations within five years if the people didn't revolt.

Naruto doesn't possess the balls to do what's necessary for his people. Case in point, Sasuke. He allows his emotions to override what's logical and because he has plot armor...succeeds even when he shouldn't.

 

The thing is, it's not cowardice that makes Naruto avoid the morally ambiguous(sp) decisions, it's his ability to find and execute other solutions.

Naruto forges his own path. He doesn't lack balls. His balls are simply so huge that they take over control of his body and tell the world to go fuck itself and get the fucking memo that Uzumaki Naruto is up in this motherfucker.

 

I sense a lot of hate from you but you only conviced me that you like Sasuke better than Naruto.

Naruto would be better Hokage. And that is a fact. See First Hokage if you want to know what kind of Hokage he would be. (see; Great)

Sasuke on the other hand would be barely better than Danzo and Danzo is the reason why Konoha can't have nice things.

Let's face it in Narutoverse, hard man making hard decitions only makes things hard for themselves. Also I find your assertion that Naruto shouldn't have succeeded to be false. It is mark of a great mand to succeed where othere failed. Saying he shouldn't have succeded afterwards is just whining.

 

Only he wouldn't, due to a union of his natural charisma(see Talk no Jutsu), the power he now has available if talk ever turns to combat(see Walking Bijuu Energy Emitter v regular nin/gen/tai/kinjutsu), and the fact that the other nations' leaders have come to good terms the longer they're around this kid. He's in good standing with all of them by now compared to the way it was a few hundred chapters back.

Even if Naruto has to make some concessions now and again, so would they, because the people have come together for the first time since Kaguya held them by the balls generations before, and this time its a willing unity.

Do I expect them to abolish skirmishes and in-fighting completely? Of course not. You'll always have a Danzo out there somewhere scheming, and plain regular folk who many not get along with others very well. But Naruto won't be pushed around like you want him to be in this scenario.

Again, see above. This would never happen while Naruto is in charge, because he doesn't alienate everyone around him. Sasuke would be at the throat of every person that disagreed with his agenda, and that kind of enmity does not breed good standing with other people. It would be back to the state of things leading up to the first few wars and falling backwards from there. Sasuke is the one that would cause revolts. Please, take off your Kishimoto-tinted sunglasses

 

The problem with Naruto as Hokage is that it relies on Talk-No-Jutsu which is the ultimate Gary-Stu OP Jutsu in the series. The only reason Naruto would make a good Hokage is that he has plot armor to make everyone love him. That's not realistic.

Naruto placed in the real world as president of the United States as a regular human would find the most powerful nation in the world relegated to dust.

 

You are absolutely right...but that isn't the world Kishi has created. Naruto will be an excellent Hokage because he was literally born to be a messiah. Which is really fucking lame, but that's how things are.

 

As opposed to reviving the dead(Edo Tensai), reviving yourself after you've died(Izanagi), mind-screwing your opponent into changing their very personality(Izanami), rewriting and/or producing reality itself(Creation of All Things), need I go on? Naruto has the same ability as every shonen protag - Goku, Luffy, even Ichigo - to turn their enemies into friends. That isn't unrealistic at this point in manga, its a staple and expected(this is not to say that I believe it is a good thing, merely a common ability).

Why in the name of Tsunade's sweet tits would you even bring the real world into this? Really?