I think the more interesting revelation was that Madara seemed to know that Eighth Gate could actually hurt him

 

Not so sure about this though. He taunts Gai for not using "red steam", which is presumably what surrounds someone when you use the 8th gate.

The thing is, how does Madara know that? It seems quite plausible that he actually faced someone using the 8th gate while he was alive, prior to the founding of Konoha.

And he did not have the rinnegan, mokuton, Senju-regeneration, Sage Mode and the power of Juubi at his disposal back then.

 

How is Danzo, in any way, shape or form, a good guy? Pretty much every disaster that has ever stuck Konoha in canon was because of him. Sound invasion of the village? Well, he cooperated with Orochimaru for decades. Kabuto and his Edo Tensai shenanigans? Same, really. Akatsuki and Pain? Him and Hanzo, plus the not helping as the village gets invaded thing. All this DNA stealing of Hashirama and whatnot? Yeah, he was neckdeep involved in that as well. Uchiha massacre and them wanting to plan a coup? He played the clan and the village against each other due to his immense hard-on for the Sharingan eyes.

Not sure about Madara and Obito, but Madara was before his time so, he was only relatively uninvolved in that because it was physically impossible for him to be involved in that, so, not sure if that counts.

Konoha never had a bigger enemy than Danzo.

 

Theres still time for it to be revealed that Danzo used time travel to go back in time and corrupt Madara you know.

 

Danzo was Konoha's dark side. But all he did was in order to make Konoha the strongest village. Under his command. He dealt with evil to gain power, all to see his vision of Konoha becoming reality.

How exactly is Orochimaru attacking Konoha have anything to do with Danzo? He was collaborating with Orochimaru for mutual personal benefit before and after Orochimaru went rogue, but he didn't tell Orochimaru to attack Konoha or anything. And like with Orochimaru, he had little to do with Kabuto's arch-villain tendencies and decisions in the later parts of the story. He sent his ANBU against the Rain rebels cause he'd get a deal with Hanzo - who the heck thought it'd result in Pain and Konoha in rubbles? Nobody could have predicted that.

He had no morals and scruples and took the dark side to power, but he was still protecting Konoha, and was trying to make Konoha his. He's not a "good guy", but he's not Konoha's worst villain either.

 

Madara at no point taunted Gai for not using red steam. By his reactions, he even seemed shocked at Gai's speed when it was only green.

Madara's obviously fought against users or the Eight Gates before but maybe Gai really is an exemplary user of the technique.

 

Hey man, they killed Neji. That was way out of left field for me.

I wouldn't put killing Gai past them.

 

Is the seventh gate blue or green steam? In Mangapanda's it was blue, but Mangastream has green, and I've definitely heard him called the Blue Beast a bunch of times before.

And blue seems cooler to me, but meh.

 

Wasn't Kakuzu's backstory that he was sent to kill Hashirama and failed then got persecuted for his failure and flipped?

Since it's Guy he'll probably be on a completely different level then whoever Madara fought.

He wears a green jumpsuit and is called the green beast. It's green stream.

 

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/667/12

Followed by:

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/667/14

"THUD"

Madara may have been somewhat surprised by Gais speed with just the 7th gate, but its pretty clear Gai was not truly pushing Madara using the 7th gate. I do agree that Gai is probably stronger than most 8th gate users (if for no other reason than that anyone else would have been fodder by default).

 

Alternative translation.

 

I keep forgetting that there are other translations. I'm more interested inclined to trust Mangastream since it seems to be what most people think

 

I'm more inclined to trust the Mangastream because they got the colors right.

 

He willingly and knowingly collaborated with a known traitor to Konoha, someone who had kidnapped its citizens to perform mad science on them and who also killed god knows how many of its shinobi. And yeah, that support and protection by Danzo allowed Orochimaru to be in a position to launch an invasion. Interestingly, I also saw none of Danzo's root forces or Danzo himself lift a finger to defend the village, nor did I see them in the kyuubi attack, but I am willing to chalk that up to not having thought of them yet.

If he hadn't worked with Orochimaru, neither the invasion nor the Kabuto thing would have ever happened, so, yeah, laying the blame on his feet there. Sure, he may not have wanted or planned for these things to happen, but they still did because of him.

But yeah, nothing Danzo did ever result in Konoha getting stronger. His actions led to invasions, the loss of one of the two clans that made Konoha strong to begin with, distrust by the other villages, and making really powerful enemies like Pain.

Sure, he may have thought he did this "for Konoha" but his number one real priority was gaining power, not protecting Konoha. You do not let someone else curbstomp the village you claim to love above everything else in order to rule the ruins. That's just dumb.

 

Madara was surprised. I think The red steam will definitely give time to Naruto to get revived but it won't really challenge him. I feel that Madara knows of the red steam more of theoretically than from an experience of fighting someone. Something like the way people would have heard that the highest level is mangekyou for the Sharingan.

 

I wouldn't say that nothing Danzo did ever made Konoha stronger. We only know a few things that he did that went bad but he's been in the game for a long time. Who knows what information Kabuto got him in all those hidden villages for instance.

 

The trouble is that when Danzo inevitably screws up, he screws up BIG.

 

Because he worked for them, and functioned with vaguely parallel goals.

 

Chapter Up.
And Gai Senior. Might Dai. I lulzed so hard at that name.
O.O
D8
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And many tears of manliness are shed this day.

Last Edit: SOMEONE COLOR THIS CHAPTER (and hopefully the next as well). FOR ALL THAT IS GOOD IN NARUTO

 

Never forget 6th Hokage Might Gai ;_;