SS4 was GT, the fact that you lump it in with DB and DBZ makes you a terrible person.

It was an enjoyable chapter.

 

Its interesting that Narutos new mode looks much like the Susanoo modes given by MS do. In both the user is surrounded by a "chakra creature", while the user himself remains human but protected inside the chakra shroud.

I guess when Naruto fights Sasuke, he will counter susanoo with this mode. Though given the insane level of power Naruto showed here, Sasukes Susanoo will have to have grown in strength a lot, or its going to be a short fight.

I wonder if this form will be Narutos final "powerup", or if he is ever going to go full real Kyuubi/Kurama like the other jins do. Though I actually think this mode is better, since we get to see Naruto still and the fact that its different from the others makes Naruto look unique, which he should considering he is the main character.

Awesome chapter, lets hope Kishi won't ruin it by making Naruto do something incredibly stupid in the next few chapers.

 

Still hating on the bullshit friendship stuff, but good to see some real action. Maybe the emotional reveals are over and we can get down the good stuff, by which I mean brutal fighting.

 

SHHHHHH.

/10char

 

I thought trying to take on the bijuu by yourself was stupid... maybe brave... but still stupid.

 

We have seen what the that the Hachibi's blast devastated an entire mountain range, isn't this gonna just level...everything?

 

I'm think it will be like when Naruto and Sasuke clashed for the last time at VoTE. If not...well, no-one's around but bad guys anyway.:awesome

 

Not when you've got the boss bijuu in you it's not.

 

Speaking of boss-Bijuu.

Anyone reckon we will see the Jubi? Or wether it will stay a legend...

 

The only way we'd be able to see Juubi in physical form is if Naruto loses, so I'd say no. That being said, I'd keep the possibility open, considering Kishimoto's pension for speeches. Wouldn't suprise me if the Juubi's spirit had a conversation with Naruto about the cycle of hatred and/or friendship. Or the Shinigami showing up and Naruto trading the Kyuubi and/or collected Bijuu to resurrect everyone who had died, ever. Then he gets his mom, dad, sensei and 'Old man' back, marries Hinata, Sakura, and/or every female character ever, becomes Hokage and becomes the first ninja on the moon. The end.

 

The first moment the Juubi was mentioned, it became obvious that it would show up soner or later.

 

I'm guessing Ginkaku and Kinkaku will be used as some type of substitute for the Kyuubi.

 

I have been thinking the Juubi is the true villian of the story, slowly influencing the Uchila over the centuries to eventually restore it.

 

I missed the days when the Bijuus were neigh-omnipotent forces of nature.

For me, they set the atmosphere of the world of Naruto: a dangerous world, where anything and everything can happen - where an over-large fox can suddenly appear and melt your face, where giant racoons with giant scrotums can instantaneously demolish your village.

It also emphasized that to save people, you'll have to be ready to sacrifice something - the entire point of being a fucking ninja is putting your head under the guillotine if needed, for the sake of your country/whatever. The Fourth's sacrifice to vanquish the Fox, the Third's sacrifice to seal away Oro's arms and the former Hokages, Suna's sealing the Ichibi into Gaara. All these bring out this theme.

Talk-no-jutsu is a cop-out insofar as it cheapens the above sacrifices - and goes against what was presented as a dominant theme and idea in Naruto: that there is no free lunch, that there are no corners to cut, pace Konohamaru, that you'll have to be prepared to do whatever it takes.

Of course, Naruto is a Shounen manga, and is about the fights - but the fights used to have a lot more subtlety.

 

The point is that they're rising above that; they're creating a world where they don't have to live under a constant threat, where they don't need to continually make sacrifices.

These people don't like the world they live in and they've finally started trying to fix it. That's how I see it, at least.

 

Thats definitely true, but the way in which they do so cheapens the sacrifices of the earlier part of the manga. It was like even if they did solve the world's problems, the debt they would pay would be worth it ie. the abolishment of ninjas or something like that. By just literally talking about this stuff, Naruto seems to skip any kind of drama or payoff and go straight to the end.

And I definitely agree with fire about the bijuu. For entities so famous for literally DESTROYING VILLAGES, they get off so light. Its like now they have some tragic past, it doesn't matter at all what they've done or how many people they've violently bisected. This is a phenomenon I closely associate with manga and anime. The fact that any fucking reprehensible bullshit can be mitigated by telling a story or having friends really galls me. I wouldn't even mind the whole my little bijuu shit if it wasn't clearly established that these guys are vicious fucking beasts.

All that said, I can appreciate the manga for its unique art style, creative storyline and really, a pretty cool arc all told. But I suppose reading fanfiction has spoiled me into expecting a world with consequences and some small sense of realism. Not so with canon.

 

See...this is what I see the problem as. The Bijuu actually did not destroy any village. They were, from their inception, pretty much chained. They only acted up now and then, when they were freed for short moments of time. E.g. The kyuubi did more than a little damage when it was freed for a short period of time. The Hachibi did damage when it took control of the previous hosts (before Bee) for short periods of time. It was more a form of rebellion against the people who chained them than anything else. That rebeliion involved killing off a lot of people, yes. I think the whole...Inhuman demon beasts stuff comes from the pre-timeskip Anime Beginning than anything else.

So yeah, I don't think its quite that farfetched. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And again, I'll reiterate on the whole Issue resolving thing. I fully expected the whole Naruto Talking his enemies into defeat from before timeskip. You can't honestly tell me you weren't expecting it? Really? Even after Gaara, Tsunade, etc?

Frankly put, the manga is progressing as expected with minor trolling in between. The only aberration was that bull shit Sasuke and Sharingan stuff from the beginning of Post Timeskip and even that is debatable for some people.

 

Somewhat surprised my overdramatic speech got some thumbs up. Go me.:awesome

Anyway, I do have to agree with the Bijuu thing to a certain degree.

See, this isn't quite right. You're forgetting about the period of time before the villages existed; that's when the Bijuu were revered as ungodly monsters. The idea of creating Jinchuuriki didn't exist until then (excluding the Sage himself) and then Bijuu were turn for popping and tearing shit apart. I'll direct you here for evidence of that.

I like the fact that we're learning more about the Bijuu; where they came from, their individual identities and the fact that they have more than destructive impulses. Currently, my problem is that I want to know why they kept killing humans like natural disasters when this was before they were being sealed into humans. I fully appreciate the Jinchuuriki/Bijuu team-ups we have going on recently but I would like an explanation for the Bijuu's past actions.

 

They were previously mindless beasts until they were sealed into humans. Deidara even said that the Sanbi was mindless and therefore a lot easier to capture, whereas a jinchuriki gives a biju more intelligence, and so they can use their power for more than just '"ARR, ME SMASH!".