Bucks is right. You, Chime have this wrong completely. Either way, There is a reason why he is saying this to Sasuke. But for what purpose? Sasuke joinin the akatsuki would have no purpose so there has to be something else here.

And Madara has always been the main villein. This goes way back, hundreds of years ago. Damn, talk about an age old feud. This is how legends starts.

 

Wait...Shodai died fighting Madara? I don't remember that. Is that speculation or canon? Also, notice the bold word, it's Shodai not Shodaime

 

no one died in the fight. people thought Madara died. But he was alive. It was the first who won the fight.

 

It was my speculation as

"In the chapter it was said that the Nidaime was the one who gave the Uchiha their job, meaning the Shodaime was died in the fight, making the Senju even more angry."

 

Nope that can't be right Bucks. How could he have won the fight, then died because of it? Then it would have been a loss or a draw (no one knows that madara is alive afterwards i think) because they both died. So the Shodaime had to have lived afterwards at least long enough that his brother was strong enough to be the Hokage.

 

If Shodai died during the fight then people wouldn't have known that Madara lost. He had to have at least lived long enough to get back to Konoha and tell people that he defeated Madara.

*sigh* come now people, I said it 30 times. The First Hokage is called Shodai, not Shodaime. It's a pet peeve of mine that so many people get it wrong.

 

okay, first of all, re-read the chapter Bucks. The first won. Then he became the hokage. Mandara took his time to get his revenge because of his clan who betrayed him. However he can't do it right away because of the first who still protects the village.

So he took his time.

 

They fought after Hashirama became the first Hokage. That was the part of the reason for the fight.

 

Do you mind making that clearer.

He doesn't have to die during the fight, he could have died after he came back to Konoha...

 

arite. The First became the hokage because everyone including the uchiha wanted him to. They didn't want Madara to be the leader because they thought he only wanted war and power. So they left him and voted for Hashirama. Thats how he became the first. And so he left the village, feeling betrayed. And thats when he chose the rode of revenge.

Using the nine tailed fox as the weapon it self...from the picture.

And thats when the two fought. The first won. Madara LOST. The first thought Madara died after he defeated him, so he went back to his village.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/12/

"I was forgotten by everyone, even history. Even Harishirama thought so. I died there...or so they assumed."

That would mean, after there battle, The first was still very much alive. There was no reason for him to die and even if he did, Madara would have mentioned in that chapter alone. Also, The first's brother did partake in the senju/Uchiha war. As showed in the previous chapter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/06/

So after a time period of recovery, the first gave the uchiha a gift as a sign of trust while giving his brother the position as leader.

And fuck me good, i'm completely wrong about the fox being summoned by Madara. Unless of course he was lying, which i'm sure he is.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/15/

...Natural disaster my ass. these chapters are close to the present times, before Naruto was born.

 

Meh, Madara is a lying little bitch. He wants to pound Sasuke's ass, so he makes shit up to get him to suck his old Uchiha prick.

Seriously people, I'm fucking angry with the manga right now. The whole thing with Itachi working for the elders and being a good guy is a nightmare. And the worst thing of all, it's like a Déjà-Vu: I've read it already in a thousand fan-fiction, and it was bad ( and not bad meaning good, no, bad as in 'fucking terrible'...)

 

Quoted. For. Truth.

 

It i funny how similar HP and Naruto can be...Both author's seem to go out of there way for their fan boy's and gir's... It is annoying really. Watch Kishi say Naruto is really bi and is in love with Sasuke just to please some of the pre-teen fangirl's.

 

... Seeing how he's doing now, I wouldn't even put it past him.

It's sad, really. Every time I read a redeemed!Itachi fic, I thought 'it's possible, but Kishi will come up with a more original reason of why he killed his clan.'
Then this shit happens... Seriously, did both J.K. Rowling and Kishi-teme browse ff.net 'cause they were out of inspiration? Sure seems like it...

 

This might be considered a tad off topic from where the general discussion is right now, since I've only skimmed the first 15, and the last three pages. Anyways, has anyone noticed the similarities between Kakashi and the Second Hokage?

It's been pointed out several times that Kakashi is unusually adept at the Suiton element. They both have silvery grey/white hair. Their facial shapes are almost exact, and they're both tall. The last point isn't saying much, but since so little has been shown of the Nidaime outside of the Sarutobi fight, it could be worth something.

The Second's facial markings could be the things Kakashi is covering up with his mask. Ayame and Teuchi seemed to think he was attractive when they saw his face in episode 101, so it rules out him being horribly disfigured. Of course, it could just be a fangirl deterrant. That, or Kishimoto got lazy and decided to not draw another face. Doesn't quite explain why he's had it since a child. Maybe the whole 'I'm Sakumo's kid, and he has enemies, so I won't look like I'm related' thing is the reason. Maybe not. But the Senju Hatake theory is fun to think about. The likeness in chapter 399 is rather uncanny.

 

This is exactly how tobi obito discussion started.

 

that would mean Kakashi would be related to Tsunade...

or that Kakashi is actually gay.... dear lord, I can feel the rumble of fan girls madly dashing to their keyboards...

 

I didn't read that yet. I never said I believed it. I just noticed some similarities. Sorry if it's off topic.

Since the Senju clan isn't really mentioned in present tense, and there isn't a main character, besides Tsunade, shown with that last name, it's probably not possible. The clan could have been exterminated during the second Kyuubi attack, or they could have assimilated into Konoha society. I really don't know. I'm not Kishimoto. I was just pointing something out.

Kakashi being related to Tsunade wouldn't really bother me. It's awkward to think about it in that particular light, though. Just him possibly being from the Senju clan is what I was saying.

In that interview though, Kishimoto said Kakashi is going to get more of the spotlight after the Sasuke thing is relatively over. Something big is supposed to happen. I just took a guess at that.

 

Why is that every fucking character in the Narutoverse with similarities in looks, even remotely so, has to be related to the other?

Seriously, I'm getting fucking tired of this too.

"Oh, Yahiko looks like Naruto, he must be his bro!"

"Oh, Suigetsu has the same hairstyle that Sai's brother has, he must be Sai's brother!"

"Oh, Jiraiya had a haircut similar to the Yondaime! He must be Naruto's grandfather!"

"Oh, Karin has red hair and is a tomboy! She must be Nauto's sister!"

"Oh, Kakashi has grey hair! he must be related to half of the fucking manga!"

...

This is getting ridiculous. Jesus people, it's not that the characters are related. It's like Kishimoto can't fucking draw more than 4 different characters...

Seriously, genetics don't work like a fucked up version of Aristotelian Logic.

 

I wouldn't think so, there are things related to the Hatakes that have never been mentioned in regards to the Senju, most notably the white chakra Sakumo was famed for. As far as I'm aware as well, Kakashi's skill with suiton jutsu is more because of the borrowed sharingan giving him the techniques rather than an affinity with it (I believe he's a lightning affinity anyway, because of the chidori).

It's not impossible though, there is a lot of back story that hasn't been fully explored, especially the mission that caused Sakumo to kill himself. If Kakashi were to be part of the Senju clan, or at least distantly related, it could lead to some interesting developments... Not entirely sure on what though.

Aekiel