Was that the messenger toad that Danzo killed, or another one in Konoha?

Also we now that several jutsu manipulate time such as Orochimaru's Edo Tensei.

http://img55.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/000101952/05.jpg

 

lol, people

Spoiler

it's not "back in time" as in time travel, but "on time" as in let's get him back to Konoha in time to stop what ever terrible disaster happens.

 

On a different note, anyone ever wonder why the Nidaime couldn't use Mokuton, if he was Shodaime's brother? We know that Mokuton is a mix of earth and water, but the ability to mix elements is a Kekkei Genkai, and if Shodaime's Mokuton was a Kekkei Genkai, shouldn't his brother be able to do it? Anyone ever thought he might have been a jinchuuriki? I know Orochimaru used actual genes to "create" Tenzou, but Gaara can still control sand even without Shukaku.

 

Easily answered: it's a bloodline not everyone in the clan has. Kinda like blue, green, and brown eyes. Also, notice how Kakashi said it's rare to have a bloodline and how Haku is the only one in his family to use his bloodline (but that's debatable...).

 

I think, in Haku's case, that him and his mother were the last of their clan. She either was ashamed of her bloodline, or she has it sealed, because her "normal" husband killed her and then Haku's manifested when the husband tried to kill him. How could Shodaime be the only Senju to use Mokuton? If it were truly a family bloodline, there would've had to been atleast one ohter who could use Moktuon.

 

It wasn't a familial bloodline. It was unique to him (before Tenzou) and only him, and wasn't passed on because of that. Maybe it required the exact genetic sequence he had for it to work or it wouldn't be passed on.

It's like Deidara's mouths, Sakon/Ukon's body merging, and the Sandaime Kazekage's magnetism kekkei genkai.

To be honest, it looks to me like some kekkei genkai are just lumped in their as an innate ability that isn't actually part of the bloodline. They're just too unique for it to be otherwise.

 

so you are saying it's more of a skill than a bloodline? However, we can't be sure if Deidara's mouths or Sakon/Ukon's body merging is not a bloodline since we haven't seen any evidence that says otherwise.

 

Nah, not a skill. A unique ability that can only be used by a person with the exact genetic sequence necessary to activate it.

I had the theory for a few minutes that only abilities which changed physical structure of the human body such as Legendary Doujutsu and the Kaguya clan's Shikotsumyaku were real kekkei genkai, as the others that I had remembered were all purely chakra based, but I had forgotten Haku's clan's Hyouton. However, it could be argued that Haku and his mother were rare in the fact that both could combine water and wind even amongst their clan. Even then though, Deidara's hand/chest mouths were physically based and we have no information regarding his relatives, thus it can be argued against.

I am probably wrong with my theory, but Kishimoto's bloodline abilities don't tend to make sense at the best of times, so I try to come up with creative ways to explain them.

 

It could be explained by the growth of the Village as a unit of organization in the Naruto world.

During the formation of the first villages, there was the need for ninja with powerful abilities. With the organizing structure of a village growing up for the first time, there could of been a directed, almost systemic desire for creating more of the Kekkei Genkai that had been so famous. Anyone, everyone, and their mother would be after this goal for any number of reasons, from personal gain to village loyalty.

So you have gene tampering and breeding programs popping up all over the place, before the turmoil of that era normalizes. Except, creating a bloodline from scratch requires care, knowledge in difficult and specialized areas, patience, and skill. These people have none.

All of the random, one off body skills, the before mentioned ridiculous maturation of some ninja (Kakashi and Itachi killing just out of diapers.), and the other examples are the compounded results of this madness. All of those halfway attempts, the ones that didn't end disastrously or weren't immediately successful, have since combined together through breeding. Creating the complicated, chaotic nature of those skills showing up at almost random.

 

Just out of my own curiosity because I don't keep up with Naruto as well as ya'll do has Kishimoto ever said anything concretely one way or the other as to where bloodlines come from in general, as in how they were first created? I've seen the thousand and one fanon explinations but I'm not sure if there was a canon one.

 

Kishi goes from barely killing anyone in the cast to having Pain obliterate Konoha. Oh well, anything to get Naruto acting like the main character for once is a good sign in my book. I'm also guessing that he'll be eventually known for rebuilding Konoha. As of now, Pain's the only villain that's actually managed to live up to Kishi's usual ridiculous hype.


Sasuke really isn't going to have much to destroy...

 

On the topixz of Mokuton I think it was said that it was the Shodai's opposing elemental chakra that let him do it, Earth and Water.


On topixz of the Manga, epic winnary, Pain Killing all of Konoha :awesome

 

Whoa, Pain leveling Konoha was pretty awesome. I wonder which characters are "dead" and which ones will just be injured?

Only thing I didn't like was the Pain super jump matrix flyaway thing, twas rather lame. He should have drawn in the Chakra necessary for the technique and detonated right there.

 

I hope the next week holds up to this standard, between Naruto's return and Root (probably) launching its coup.

I'm with ya on the Shizune situation Jon, with that "Pein" dead hopefully she just has to find her way back to the body.

As for Tsunade, seeing as she was chasing Pein . . .

Not to mention the hospital has been leveled taking the patients and probably most of the medics with it.

Save for the cape corner and scroll cell on the second to last page Pein is:

:awesome "Epic win for me bitch!"

 

Ho fuck.

Konoha's destruction opens up the door for an invasion into Fire Country by any of the elemental countries. The manga could be getting a whole lot better following this.

 

^Possibly but highly doubt it. The fact that four or five shinobi's belonging to the Akatsuki managed to level all of Konoho into oblivion is a huge threat to all nations. This isn't even about nations strength anymore. Akatsuki is a very real threat that effects all the elemental nations.

When Pein Jumped, Tsunada was in the blast radius so....i wonder if she died.

 

Considering her regenative capabilities and the fact that her summons are still around I think she's still alive, bearly.

But while she's on the ground bleeding the one armed man might do it next chapter . . .

 

Anyone else wonder what happened to Killer Bee from a few chapters back? Where the hell has he gone? Also, didn't the Kumo leader guy/Bee's brother send out those two ninja to find Akatsuki or something?

I have to admit though, it really was satisfying seeing Konoha wiped out. Mass destruction 4tw.

 

Honestly I thought Pain leveling Konoha was pretty lame. If he could do that with one 'jutsu' then wtf does he need the tailed demons for?