This is about as true as it gets. We have seen nothing of what Uriel and his fellows can really do. Uriel said himself that during Small Favor Lucifer provided immediate aid and power to his underlings and that Uriel acted in a less obvious but equal and more longterm way. Uriel is like Heaven's verison of Nicodemus. Nicodemus and Uriel plan not for today, tomorrow, next week, next month, or even next year; but for what will happen in 10 years, 50 years, or even a century or 2.

I doubt we will see even a fraction of what Heaven can do until the shit really starts hitting the fan in the last 2 or 3 books; if then.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess. Heaven either can't or won't direct;y intervene, a rule I think Butcher will keep to no matter how much shit hits the fan.

 

The only problem with the Time Travel Intervention theory is that for it to work, they'd have to know about the flaw in order to send the message back, but fixing it in the past means they couldn't have known about it resulting in paradox. Time Travel business has to be subtle, the important events still happening but a more favorable outcome.

Good point about the Hit-and-Run though, I completely forgot about that.

 

I was rather disappointed when I read the "teaser" for Changes. I've never liked Susan, and I dislike her even more now.

Looking forward to how being on the 'Grey Council' will change Dresden though. And hopefully seeing McCoy and possible Dresden employing more darker magics.

Gah, the more I think about it the more this 'Susan having Harry's Kid' thing pisses me off.

 

I know right? He shouldn't have kids at all. Maybe in the last novel, with Karrin or Molly, or both, or something.

 

I'd hardly take what is said there at face value.

I'd probably put money on things not being as they seem.

 

Yah. I think one of three thing will happen.

1. The kid's not his, it was all some ploy

2. The kid is his, the kid dies, forever changing Dresden

3. The kid is his, goes vamp, Shezza plot to make the kid new ruler of Red Court

Personally I'm leaning towards 2.

 

I've just read the teaser and haven't caught any of the rest of the rumors.

I would hope it's not 2. It's pretty cold and not great writing to introduce something like a child out of the blue, let Dresden get attached to it, and then kill the kid in the same book.

An alternative: 4. Kid is his. Dresden gets drawn into some kind of conflict, he screws up, and ultimately has to make a Sophie's Choice between Susan and his kid. He chooses the kid (as much as Dresden is old fashioned regarding women, his protective streak for kids is stronger--witness becoming a Denarian Host just to protect Michael's kid).

 

You don't get my point. I don't think there is any point in speculating, because we only have one simple statement. It could mean ANYTHING.

Now, if we had more than one solid fact, we could go for some speculation, but at the moment, its pointless. Not to mention, your choices are inherently simplistic, im pretty sure there will be a lot more attached to one of the main plot devices of the story. Pers is getting there, I like his idea, while it remains that.

On that note however, when are the preview chapters of Changes coming out? Im so excited for this book.

 

Most likely early March. It's typically 1 chapter per week with 5 total preview chapters, which means 5 weeks before release.

 

Was that really your point? If it was, it was a bit hard to gather from:

And yeah. It was simplistic, I thought it'd be a bit hard to come up with complex theory on what could possibly happen, based on one statement from amazon. Hence why the three points covered the extremes.. you know.. for discussion.. in this discussion thread

edit: Apparently the first draft was only completed today? Can they go from draft to release in 3 months?

 

It says so on Jim Butcher's twitter and hopefuly they will (I don't want another Starcraft2 premiere).

 

Yeah I recall that thread. I couldn't find it again today when I checked, but yeah in it it's mentioned thatJB stated while Dresden may think it's his child, it might not be. I can't remember how JB worded it but something like 'he certainly thinks it's his child', when someone asked him if the kid was Harry's. Which put's us back at square one, since he didn't deny it either.

Also one thing I read, but forgot to bring up previously, was the theory that it was the Order that she works for that took the kid for some .. purpose (I don't know about everyone else, but from the summary on his website but I assumed it was the vampires who took the kid). Interesting no?

 

Makes a lot of sense when you think about it Dresden was the one who initially kick started the war. With the Council now suing for peace the Fellowship would want hostilities to continue at any cost. Steal the guy's kid and force him to do something drastic.

 

A thought hit me as I was reading this thread. We know that the last few books are going to be post-apocalyptic, and from what we've seen regarding the Fae/Denarians and other creatures, the only species likely to be able to to create that kind of world are humans, but that the vampires also have access to a strange form of magic that seems to be either related to death or (and this is my own pet theory) the Outside. If we assume that the child is indeed Harry's, it was conceived between a vampire and a wizard, thus as a half-breed it could have access to both the wizards' magic and the vampires'.

People of DLP, I give you the Antichrist.

 

While a very cool idea, I'm positive that it is stated that only human magic can affect/touch the Outside. Still the rest of that is pure win...

 

... except that, in White Night, Harry very clearly told Murph that magic passed down on the mother's side. If that holds true, the kid should have no (human) magic at all.

 

Ah, crap. Completely forgot about that, so I guess that idea has gone out the window >_>.