The thing is JKR has alreay said that the only reason books five and six are so large is because they are full of details that will become important; like finding the locket at the headquarters. And thats the reason she had to have them. But I don't get why she didn't just start putting it in earlier and have better plots for the later books.

Now I love Harry and Ginny getting together but does anybody else find it really unbelieveable in the story at the moment? One minute he loves Cho, the next Ginny. Whats up with that!

 

Seems promising to me. When are you going to post the first chapter?

I know what you mean. I think it was quite disappointing. Anyway I don’t really like canon Harry so maybe it should be like that if you write canon. He is the epitome of an idiotic Gryffindor.

 

Zev, not until August at the earliest.

I also agree about Ginny, I mean, he had no romantic connection to her in ORder of the Phoenix, and now he desperately yearns for her? JK skipped a few steps here. Order was good if it was a set-up book for a darker Harry (it sparked a lot of great fan-fics afteralll) as it is I feel cheated by book 6 becasue it didn't deliver on the promise set up by book 5.

 

we all feel that way

 

*shrug* it's just a thought. Beside it's all her stuff legally, in her dry spells should could easily pop onto FF.net for ideas.

Before I write a chapter, i try to either be exhausted, or not have read any HP ff for a good while, so i don't accidentally copy someone.

If i had millions and millions of dollars riding on my fic/book though however, I do think I'd have to turn into a hoover of ideas if i ran dry. Something borrowed word for word from some random fic site 0.01% of her fanbase reads is not going to matter to her, not like the author could claim plagerism, ya know?

 

i think in all honesty, the only good bit about book 5 was tonks, bella, luna and the setup for dark!harry ... but then she goes and fudges it all up, has harry suddenly fall head over heels for giinny, and just really completely fucks the canon pairings >_< ibook is overall a let down but it has its moments where it shines, even if it IS as dull a shine as Goyle...

 

I agree. Book 5 was an example of how far you can stretch a story with no real content up till the very end (outclasses only recently by HBP...). The Harry vs Umbridge bit was annoying and stupid, he was being tortured and noone bothered reporting it, was a stretch. Have you ever cut yourself? Have you ever cut yourself HUNDREDS of times in the same area on purpose?! Magical or not that would hurt enough you'd do anything to stop it, not sit there and take it, then suddenly rave when Dumbles tell yous.. oh by the way you need to kill Tom before he kills you.... DUH!

Best bit was Tonks and the fight with Dumbles.. and then it turns into being totally meaningless...

 

I still hate Order of the Phoenix for the way Rowling totally ruined the Harry/Cho relationship.

 

I didn't care one way or another about the relationship itself per say, but rather how she destroyed the Cho character alltogether by making her into a whiny bitch

 

I wouldn't so much say destroyed, as Cho really didn't HAVE a character before then. Her only important appearance in canon before the fifth book was Harry asking her to the Yule Ball. So there wasn't much to destroy. But instead of creating something decent, Rowling gave us that human hosepipe crap.

 

Aye, but whether she had a concrete personality or not beforehand is irrelevant. After the fact you'll always have her a a cybaby in canon is what I mean.

 

HBP discussion

Dam, SOOO many people in this forum bagging HBP. It seems that when it comes to this book, either people like it alot, or TOTALLY loathe it. I guess I can see which category many of this forum's contributors fall into.

I personally liked the book, but even I have to admit that many of you DO have valid points.

As I understand it, you are saying that you are now disappointed that Rowling didn't do a whole Dark!Harry thing? We ALL KNEW she wasn't going to go in THAT direction. Harry has always been, and always will be the epitome (maybe that is too strong a word...) for good. But many of us are of course interested in seeing another version. That is the purpose of fanfiction. To tell the story the way you want to see it. I am still surprised at how many writers abandoned their fics after HBP's release.

Since I normally gravitate towards Harry/Ginny fics, I don't have too many complaints. But I do conceed defeat, in that she did it in a rather sloppy way. Yes, she should have definately showed us more development between Harry and Ginny before even attempting what she did. I mean, its almost as bad as those cliche fanfics where Harry all of a sudden realises her loves Ginny. Let us try to remember, the romantic aspect of this story is only REALLY meant to be a sub-plot. The main story has always been, and always will be Harry against Voldemort and other evil-doers. I believe the romance was only thrown in to show that the characters are maturing, not much more (I hope not). I just think that with the long wait between GOF and OoTP, we all got so use to reading romantic fanfics, we are all beginning to expect stuff of the same calibar from a writer who is wriiting these books to tell an adventure story, not a romance story.

Considering the types of fanfics I have seen abandoned since HBP's release, alot of people seem to be griping (perhaps not in this forum, but in others) that the book was ruined becasue Harry didn't end up with Hermione (although I never saw any hints to these kind of ship, I always saw their love in a PLATONIC form). I am almost willing to bet my left testicle, that about 1/3 of the people in this forum who complained about the Harry/Ginny ship, wouldn't be complaining in the slighest if it was set up just as sloppily as it was, but with Hermione instead.

And about the dude on this forum who wants to write a series of fanfics that are 5th year AU and onwards, with Harry going to Azkaban, and somehow learning all of Voldemort's magical knowledge and blah blah blah. I mean, that has already been done. I have seen several fanfics with the same storyline exactley. In no way I am trying to discourage you from wrtting, perhaps you can do it in a way which will set it apart from all the others. By all means, go for it, man!

But what I am trying to say, is that each time she has released a book, everyone starts writing fanfiction about what the next book will be, and eventually everyone begins to fall into the same sort of trend and write stories which have almost identical plots, but with just some details tweaked. And then when she releases her next novel, it is never like any of the fanfiction people have been writing. She always ends of doing what is not expected (at least this is what my expereince has taught me, but I only started reading fanfics before OoTP's release). I totally did not expect her book 6, and that just made it all that much special to me because all of the other ideas many of you say you wish she had done, have been done and read to death for years in fanfiiction,, and probably wouldn't have been as *special* as you think they may have been.

I think I've bitched myself out now, so I shall go and come back aned see how many people have begun to flame my latest posting

 

Re: HBP discussion

hn.......all i know is that i hate ginny and hermione and the wolf moony (for takeing tonks)...the book just went on like a really bad fic...the only good parts in book 6 that i can think of are the FD/BW relationship (it was heart warming....i didn't know i had a heart), draco beating harry,Sectumsempra (the only good spell i've seen him use so far) and thats about it

 

I was thinking last night and I think that Dumbledore may not be dead. Over the last 3 books JKR has mad a big deal about how levi-corpus can be said silently and the Aveda Kedavera can only work if you mean it.
What if Snape said the Aveda Kedavera curse, but didn't mean it, while silently saying levi-corpus?

Remember, Dumbledore was thrown over the battlement, while when Cedric just fell to the ground.Do you think it could happen?

 

Re: HBP discussion

Not necessarily... not a dark harry as in one who uses dark arts and goes all murderous... but a more ascertive, slytherin harry would be good enough

 

Please cough up your left testicle, because most people here hate Hermione much, much more then they hate Ginny. And if you honestly think 1/3 of the ppl here hated the book simply b/c of the pairing, of all things, you really should cough up the other testicle =)

All the valid points listed here why the book blows chunks and you pick one of the annoying, but not story breaking things to bring up? lol.

I have noticed many that enjoy Harry/Ginny like the book, while most of us who dont.. don't. Seeing how most of the H/GW fics are total garbage, with no content, lackluster action, and totally over infused with cliches out the whazoo, I find it hard to believe it's a coincidence.


Harry was never going to go dark in canon, that's the whole reason for the interest in AU type fics, but for her to totally blow the build up at the end of a already boring book, was rather odd. Its like she was gearing him to be independant, and instead her publishers said.. nope, he's gotta be Dumble's bitch!

There hasn't really been much unexpected that has happened.

Sirius breaking out? yes
Sirius dying? yes....

Um... I'm drawing a blank here. Most of the stuff she's done has been heavily foreshadowed in a prior book, or completly expected.

Let me change that.. we ALL didn't expect HBP to go the route it did... even OOTP was "decent" with all its flaws, HBP just didn't do much more then annoy the piss out of me.

She had some great things she could of done, with JUST the ideas she had in the book. Instead she turned things like the SlugClub, the Horcrux, the Harry/Ginny ship, etc into annoying as hell, hokey things that I know many ppl rushed to get through, just to see the twist at the end.

If she hadn't spent most of the book slaughtering every no name character, Dumbles expected death would of maybe meant more.

As is, we're left either believing he's not really dead (oh yeah, theres now TWO ppl who survived the curse! corny crap like I think she'll do) or curse Snape for being evil.

 

I have HATED the Harry/Hermione ship and I always assumed that he would end up with Ginny. I just think it could have been better executed. Hell, the Cho/Harry ship was set-up in the previous book and seemed to me to be more believable. Suddenly in 6 Harry has a "monster inside" that craves Ginny Weasley? the Cho relationship was better executed.

Harry just forgives Dumbledore like that? Suddenly, Harry's "his man" despite Dumbledore not trusting throughout the previous year, and who still doesn't trust him enough to reveal Severus Snape's history (INCLUDING portions that Involve him?!) He doesn't even tell Harry what Harry what a horcrux is, he only tells him that he "needs to get the memory from Professor Slughorn." Then we learn Draco fuckin' Malfoy, a person who doesn't have "one of the Darkes wizards of all time" (Dumbles in HBP) in his head, learns Occlumency? This story was a cop out in every sense of the word. Prisoner of Azkaban was a darker book than this, and no one died in that!!


regarding my story, I feel I can do it better than anyone out there. Fuck, maybe I'll start from year one. I don't know. I'll sort it out later.

HBP doesn't suck because of Ginny and Harry though, it sucks because NONE of the characters except Ginny have changed since Chamber of Secrets. The only difference is that now Hermione and Ron want to hook up, and Harry wants pussy. He still listens to everything Dumbledore says and he still is bitched around by Severus Snape.

 

Dumbledore's man, my ass, it's more like Dumbledore's bitch. all the shit he goes throught and he's still a bitch. voldemort didn't go through that much shit...he's just phyco. here harry kid who lives through a AK, kid who deals with a big snake spiders and a three headed dog and , kid who fights a dark lord, kids who goes back in time to saves a inmate. he does all this and he's still a bitch. he's can't think for him self.

 

Yeah, at the end of the day, Harry's just a massive pussy as much as I want to be a man and stop bitching.

 

thats one of the things that bothered me the most.

OOTP, even assuming him and Dumbles made up, like I expected, I didn't expect him to turn into "Yes I am his bitch!" type attitude he has.

Dumbles manipulates him into getting the memory, and basically the the entire book Harry is just.. there he's more along for the ride then being the central part of it.

Granted in all the other books he's either blindly stupid, or gets swept along with the actions of others, but he usually at least does.. SOMETHING to react.

End of the day, in HBP, JKR went in with potential for him to be independant, while accepting help, to being totally dependant on Dumbledore, and left standing there with his willy in his hands thinking the sky is about to fall since Dumbles is dead.

The Gotta Collect Em All bit has been mentioned enough times before. The explanation behind Voldemort's immortality is half assed. SLUGHORN even knows about this supposed secret that Dumbles has no idea about.. i mean come on. Some big damned secret huh?