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Partially Kissed Hero by Perfect Lionheart - T

Discussion in 'Trash Bin' started by nonjon, Jun 3, 2008.

  1. silverlasso

    silverlasso Minister of Magic DLP Supporter

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    This story had potential to be really good until the author went crazy and inserted a bunch of random shit. Of course, I still read each chapter, but it's a "pass-time-and-slightly-enjoy" thing.
     
  2. Portus

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    Then your physics teacher was an asshole.

    Anyway, I have to agree, but only to a point. I do believe that Dumbledore wanted Harry to live, and it was, in the end, his and Harry's good fortune that Dumbledore's theory - of Harry's blood in Voldemort "anchoring" Harry to life - worked out and Harry lived.

    Your first comment though, about Harry being competent, is all hindsight. Look at the facts at the time of Voldemort's first defeat:
    1) Harry survives the Killing Curse with just that weird scar.
    2) Lily and James were both supposedly very powerful and talented magically. What reason would Dumbledore have to think Harry would be any different?
    3) Dumbledore believes Voldemort isn't completely dead, since he has the prophecy info, although he himself says those things are to be taken with a grain of salt, nevermind the fool he got the info from in the first place.

    Had Dumbledore already decided "love" was the answer? Of course not; he had no idea, and if he did, and STILL left Harry to the tender care of the Dursleys, then he is a fool.

    I don't believe Dumbledore fully trusted Snape either, because he only told Snape about the Horcruxes after Snape pitched the fit that Hagrid overheard in HBP. And Dumbledore definitely manipulated Snape, not just then but also when he guilt-tripped Snape into helping him "protect" Harry, as shown in the memory where Snape is crying about Lily being killed.

    As for Snape being an "abuser", I don't know if I'd necessarily use that word or not, but he's certainly a bitter, unrepentant prick who's so wrapped up in guilt or self-loathing or (ugh) angst that he ruins his classes for everyone but his own House, which of course would have the result of fewer students continuing in Potions, a required course for becoming an Auror, etc.

    So yes, Dumbledore's plans and schemes end up working out, at least in that Harry lives and Voldemort dies, but it was sheer luck, because he didn't prepare Harry to even *get* far enough to face Voldemort, spending all of HBP just dragging out the showing of those memories to Harry, when he *knew* he was dying and leaving Harry in the biggest, widest lurch imaginable, without even the Horcrux books he obviously had on hand, and conveniently never even mentioning the Deathly Hallows, choosing instead to leave oblique hints to Hermione, who (although I really like her all-in-all) is not exactly an outside-the-box kind of thinker, if her reactions to the Prince's potions book is any clue.

    Again, Dumbledore's plots worked out, but you can't tell me there wasn't a better, faster, SAFER way to go about it. I mean, come on, if the only way for Harry to survive is to willingly let Voldemort try to kill him (only after Harry's eliminated the other Horcruxes, according to Snape's memory), then why in hell didn't Dumbledore train Harry to survive until that confrontation? Any other Death Eater could conceivably kill Harry - remember, Dumbledore doesn't believe in the prophecy, only that Voldemort will believe it and force the issue - so why not give Harry every tool possible by showing him some of that kick-ass magic Dumbledore used in the duel at the Ministry in OotP?!? It defies logic, even if you subscribe to the "he'll never get good enough in time" philosophy.

    Let's face facts: Dumbledore was a master manipulator, and horded information that would've made Harry's life a hell of a lot better. I have no doubt that he began researching Horcruxes as soon as he examined that diary (not dairy, as I saw in another thread). I also have no doubt that the obstacles in Book 1 were set up so that Harry could face Voldemort. Harry even tells his friends that he guessed Dumbledore thought Harry should bet the chance to "face Voldemort" or something like that.

    Dumbledore also HAD to know that someone at the school was possessed by Voldemort, otherwise, why even have the obstacles, if Voldemort didn't have access to the school? And if he thought someone was simply acting on Voldemort's behalf, why would Dumbledore think Harry could face that unknown person, since his blood protection only worked against Voldemort himself? Justifying *that* would require circular reasoning.

    Also, Dumbledore would have to be a fool to not suspect the fake Moody, and the fact that no one thought to simply "void" the compromised tournament, or at the very least, make the security so tight your couldn't fart at Hogwarts, is absurd.

    Look, we can argue for years about Dumbledore's machinations, and there are enough plot holes and head-scratching WTF? moments to fill up a set of encyclopedias, but what we're left with is a very human, very flawed set of characters who were faced with a lot of difficult decisions and had to live (or die, as the case may be) with the consequences of said decisions.
     
  3. Paladeus

    Paladeus Muggle

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    Hidy hidy,

    I can freely admit that "Partially Kissed Hero" has a lot of repetitive information and plots with seemingly tonnes of filler, but have to say that a lot of this is foundation for the different nuances of his plots.

    He takes different plot ideas (take the arrows and the history he gave for them, along with back-story information) and gives plausible explanations for his ideas and introduces them in a competent manner so that things aren't simply thrown in with no rhyme or reason.

    I agree, as well, that Harry, Hermione and Luna's antics towards Dumbledore and Snape, both keeping them off their game and the recurring murders, are also a little repetitive and droll after a few occurrences, but he also gives a valid reason for this. However, don't forget that Dumbledore is likely to evolve and change his methods.

    As a few of you have apparently mentioned, it doesn't seem as though a large amount of time has passed, which means Dumbledore hasn't had much time to change his ways. Give him time.

    One thing we should take into account when reading, be it this story or any other, is to enjoy the ride. Obviously, I'm not fond of reading crap, but his work is thorough and amusing. While Dumbledore doesn't seem to be dying any time soon, and his fingers are in to too much to truly take down, this also keeps him a viable threat. Not being able to be killed by simply killing him means there is no easy way to take him out.

    Adieu,

    Paladeus
     
  4. Fireblade5

    Fireblade5 First Year

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    I found Perfect Lionheart to have some intriguing, and from what I know, original ideas.
    I have read many stories depicting Dumbledore as a manipulative, powerful and obsessive old man, but I have only read one where Dumbledore has a horcrux, let alone actually dies...multiple times. Although, as I'm fairly sure someone has previously stated that it starts to get quite frustating that Dumbledore is continually resurrected along with Snape.
    The involvement of the cenaurs or rather centaur is quite new as they don't seem to be of any significance in most stories.
    I also found Trawlawney's involvement to be...interesting to say the least; first time I've read a story thats turned her into a tree. Nonetheless it is original, which is highly commendable being as reare as it is rare.

    Plus Perfect Lionhearts attitude of 'I don't take shit from anyone' was a little amusing, for example, the criticism he received about guns being better than Bow and arrows and then making it impossible for Harry, Hermione or Luna to use guns. :)

    I'll admit that when I first read 'Partially Kissed Hero' I stopped reading it when I came to the Fairy mound, or whatever it was, as I thought it was a tad ridiculous. But out of desperation for something to read I came back and it caught my interest again, though this was probably, largely, due to Harry being able to decieve everyone, such as being able to sell anything.

    Although I think that the Dark Lord Colonel Sander's aspect is somewhat...unusual, yet

    The romance in this fic is minimal, truth be told there hasn't been any yet, as far as I can recall, which makes it more appealing to me as I'm not a big fan of Harry/Hermione. Surprisingly, for a Harry/Hermione, Hermione isn't in all knowing and her input isn't great.

    And Luna is...Luna...while there is the implication that she could be in a realtionship with Harry, Harry/Hermione appears to be more likely.

    Overall I give it a 4/5
     
  5. Poytin

    Poytin The Arby's Hipster DLP Supporter

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    New chapter= Teeth and Homework Seer... I may have to destroy this guy... I mean... you can get original... then you can just get stupid.
     
  6. XxEnvyxX

    XxEnvyxX Groundskeeper

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    Maybe if we all throw some money together and buy him a notebook where he can write all his precious ideas in, he would have the urge to post them all in the same story on the internet?

    The homework-thing was at first pretty funny, but then, when I realised he was serious about this...urgh
     
  7. CaffeineAddict

    CaffeineAddict Seventh Year DLP Supporter

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    This story started out enjoyable, then it became markedly less so. After this latest "chapter", I've all but given up on this useless piece of tripe. There hasn't been one iota of plot development in... god I haven't a clue how many chapters it's been. It has gotten to the point where I despair at ever finding a plot in this mess of literary 'no nos' and deus ex machinas. He keeps throwing in little bits of random crap and calling it a chapter. This story was originally quite funny, now it's become asinine what with the introduction of all these separate "ideas" and the fact that each update seems to accomplish nothing more than to make the story more cumbersome and complex. I'd hate to see what the inside of this guy's head looks like, it must be cluttered.

    The whole 'Dark Ravenclaw' thing was at first intriguing in its execution, right before he made Dumbles into more of an idiot than he is in canon. He's supposed to be some kind of manipulative super genius, yet three 13 year-olds handily best him at every turn. The KFC gimmick was amusing as well, right up until it went from humorous tidbit to a fully fledged plot device complete with its own story arc. Suspension of disbelief should only go so far.

    His historical digressions and convoluted explanations detract, rather than add to the story. If I wanted a history lesson, I'd pick up one of my college textbooks, not read a piece of fanfiction. Most of them are less mind numbing than this story and infinitely more coherent in their execution.

    I second the notebook suggestion, the internet is cluttered up enough as it is.

    Now that I've been constructive I have this to say: what in the name of all that is decent, is a god damn Homework Seer? That is possibly an even more useless introduction than the discourse on wizarding dental practices. I mean, honestly. What. The. Hell? What makes this guy think we either want or need all of this useless crap thrown at us? There's thorough, and then there's filler driven by OCD tendencies, this is most definitely the latter. If I wanted shit tossed my way I'd go to the fucking zoo!
     
  8. thapagan

    thapagan High Inquisitor

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    I don't agree with everything caffeine addict says, but I have to admit that this story has moved into a train wreck phase, it's awful but I keep reading.
     
  9. Hahukum Konn

    Hahukum Konn Fourth Year

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    I liked this initially, but the thing that's been turning me off over the last few chapters has been the excessive! use! of! exclamation! marks!

    (and you can tell it's the author basically shoving his POV in the fic, because his Author Notes are structured the same way)

    Also, while he clearly has researched the gaps in canon and is covering them all quite thoroughly, my feeling is that much like another story praised as a masterpiece, it became less about filling gaps in canon and more about appeasing certain fan factions and pushing the author's hatchet-jobbery on certain canon characters.

    For example, there are multiple explanations that cover how Dumbledore could have been fooled into believing Sirius Black was actually the Secret Keeper (though I think JKR didn't think through the fact that many feared Death Eaters got trials, but Sirius Black, someone loudly proclaiming himself most definitely anti-Death Eater, didn't? And her bafflegab about Veritaserum in the interviews contradicts the canonical Snape-stated 'You-Know-Who himself would spill all his secrets').

    One ingenious example I saw was where Sirius really WAS the Secret Keeper, and then prevailed upon Lily and James to switch to Peter some time later, as she would have since gained proficiency with the Fidelius (remember, Ollivander went on about how she was great at Charms) in order to do it herself later, if need be.

    Anyhoo, bottom line - I'd give this 2.5/5 overall and keep 'er in the Recycling Bin. :)
     
  10. Banner

    Banner Dark Lady

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    I was pleased with a lot of the last chapter - it's good to see some canon objects and spells developed in a reasonable fashion. The problem recently is that Harry and Co are moving WAY too fast for what he doing. In this chapter he apparently bought some played-out mines in Sweden, made contact with the Dwarves, enacted a major treaty with the Dwarven species, and started building a town.

    In one day.
     
  11. Dirk Diggory

    Dirk Diggory Seventh Year

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    I try to imagine the author's mindset when he blasts out these long barely coherent rants full of ideas on the magical world and no semblance of plot or structure.

    I bet he does lines of cocaine before he sits down at his computer and just starts pounding the keyboard. Well, this is a fanfic writer. Adderall then.
     
  12. Sledgehammer

    Sledgehammer Second Year

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    Perfect Lionheart is a student of the 'spray-and-pray' school of writing, to whit: pepper the story with so many ideas and let God sort it out. Yeah, he has managed to come up a few moments of :banana:, but there's so many more instances of :mad:, :( and :confused:. He just can't seem to grasp the fact that most of his shots fail to even hit the target.

    But the real rhinoceros in the outhouse is his insistence on preachy Deus Ex Gary Stu Justice.
     
  13. Tehan

    Tehan Avatar of Khorne DLP Supporter

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    Emoticons are not adjectives.
     
  14. Iztiak

    Iztiak Prisoner DLP Supporter

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    No matter how much we wish they were. :awesome
     
  15. pontfirebird73

    pontfirebird73 Third Year

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    yeah, this is one of those stories that took 50 single story ideas and threw it together into one jumbled mess.
     
  16. XxEnvyxX

    XxEnvyxX Groundskeeper

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    Maybe someone should teach him how to properly write oneshots?
     
  17. Rhapsody Belle

    Rhapsody Belle Sixth Year

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    The author is entirely too in love with his own perceived cleverness. I actually read this all the way through to the latest update over the last day -- I know, I need a life -- and scrolled past so many lines of text that, had this been anything other than a somewhat dry textbook with occasional good bits, I'd be utterly lost right now. Yet I can follow the story with little difficulty. Not a good sign, really.

    If you can skip 35-40% of a story this complex and still follow along, it's not a good story. Long-winded diatribes? Would be better off with action and prose to break up the chunks of dialogue. 44 chapters? I could have gone through everything he's dictated to us in about 15, and still had room to spare.

    He's got it all backwards. The stuff we really want to SEE, he tells us about, like how
    Luna kills Lucius
    , THAT would have been a good thing to describe. Instead, we get pages and pages of archery training, in great detail. Well, I assume it's in great detail, since I kept pausing in my scrolling to check, and we were still on bows and arrows.

    Edit: I fail at spoiler tags.

    I'd tend to disagree with this statement, for several reasons. Harry, canonically speaking, was a strong and talented wizard who happened to be lazy and easily distracted. In his third year, he mastered a spell that most adult wizards can't get down pat (the Patronus Charm). In his fourth year, he used the Summoning Charm to call his Firebolt from a fairly far distance, suggesting a fair bit of power at work. And in his fifth year, he and his mates duelled full-grown and evil wizards with a definite competency; even though ultimately lost, they put up a far harder fight than the Death Eaters were expecting from schoolchildren.

    I could go on about the spells he performed in his sixth year, but I prefer to pretend HBP and DH don't exist.
     
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  18. Mechanicalchrist

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    You know, I think "strangley" is my new favorite word-that-isn't. It gives me such happy images of Bill strangling various characters in front of crowds of confused onlookers. *sigh*

    As for this fic, I found it easier to read than his Naruto fic, but that's not saying much. Why the hell is this guy so popular?
     
  19. Andro

    Andro Master of Death DLP Supporter

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    I typed no such thing.
     
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