I think my distaste at labelling one previous occurrence a long history out ranks my disgust of incorrect grammar in this case.

 

Without a trial no legal punishment is justified. Though I suppose since wizarding law is basically whatever people feel like doing at the time you could argue it is legal by those standards(if one can call them that).

Though honestly Azkaban is such a shitty place that the only people I feel one would be justified leaving there are the kind of people one really doesn't want to risk the possibility of ever doing anything so either killing or, if that doesn't work, rendered permanently unable to act.

 

Those four examples weren't meant to be good sentences in any sense of the word - that was kind of the point.

 

The difference is Rita has a lot of enemies and pissed off a lot of people. Sure, the maximum punishment might be jail time, but like other crimes it's likely that an individual who shows regret or shows they never used their ability to committ a crime is likely to get off with a fine or a suspended sentence.

 

I didn't deny, that it's the law to send unregistered animagi there, I just said it's too harsh of a punishment.

 

Azkaban is too harsh a punishment for any crime. Torture is unacceptable, Torture by soul-sucking creatures designed to drive people crazy as punishment is beyond the pale. And the active destruction of a soul is even worse. Azkaban and what it stands for damns Wizarding Britain.

 

I disagree.

 

True, but Dementors cannot be killed by any known means (I think that's WoG, but I could be mistaken and it be just fanon). You have to keep them happy so they wont suck out souls randomly from civilians. So you have two options- feed them prisoners or feed them innocents. Not a difficult choice by any means.

 

Fixed it for you. I actually agree with you, really, sort of. Dementors are awful. I'm just under the impression from canon that the ministry is barely able to contain them by offering the guilty up in exchange for not terrorizing the world (actually quite kind of the dementors to agree to that. I bet they want to be loved. I think I read a fic with that once. It was funny. Maybe). Do the ends justify the means? Eh. Not a good time for me to be on DLP, lemme tell you. I dunno what I'm saying.

A pet peeve of mine that I recently re-stumbled upon: Harry with long hair, usually tied in some sort of braid, as though that makes it better. What the fuck.

 

YES! That one. And it's always referenced a couple times a chapter. Like, creepily so to the point where you wonder if the author has a hair fetish or something. It's always there, in the background, almost like Harry's Long Hair is a minor character.

 

Jesus fucking Christ do I hate Harry Potter with long hair.



And I think that may be a real book. Jesus.

Also, I hate Daniel Radcliffe with long hair. Fuck.

 

From what I understand they cannot pass through walls. So they could be sealed off and left to rot. Though I do not think they are truly impossible to destroy.

 

LOL

Actually burst out laughing.


I feel like having long hair wouldn't be so bad for him if it hadn't been ruined by writer's spending half a chapter every chapter on it. If it had only ever been mentioned in passing a couple of times I wouldn't really care.

It's not really "Harry" though. He needs short scruffy hair.

 

well canon and WoG disagrees and how long would walls last?
decades? centuries? dementors are immortal, they are bourne of fear and despair, they will always be there

 

Long enough so they can figure out a better way to bind them. One can always reseal them. Though with magic and enough concrete, one could quite likely seal them up for close to eternity.

Though really, the argument is quite feeble to start with - if you can seal them up even just for a few years that's better than feeding them souls all the time. Yes, it's not that nice to leave a problem for your great-great-great-grandchildren. But it's far nicer than not doing aynthing about the problem, and having it plague yourself, your children, and their progeny until the aforementioned great-great-great-grandchildren are left with the problem anyway.

 

I think "seal them away" is overstated as a solution. We know that Dementors don't reproduce biologically, but rather grow in places of decay and despair. They "breed" by spreading said decay and despair, thus propagating the conditions for their formation.

We also know that Dementor numbers can decrease, though we don't know how exactly. But it doesn't take much logical reasoning to say that it's simply the reverse of the formation process: if you regenerate an area, filling it with happiness, then the Dementors of that location fade away.

So locking the current Dementors away is probably not going to do much. New Dementors will simply appear.

We know, post-canon, that the Ministry finally got its act together and dealt with the Dementor problem, driving them out of Azkaban and renovating the place to be humane. So it's not impossible, there was simply a lack of political will before that point.

Incidentally, it's completely fanon that Dementors destroy/capture souls via the Kiss. All we know is that they suck the soul out of the body. We don't know what happens to the soul after this point.

 

Does WoG state what they actually do to the dementors? If getting rid of them was so easy then I'm sure they would have been destroyed long ago. Dementors are awful creatures with absolutely no redeemable features.

 

It's stated that the effectiveness of the prison meant that any politician who suggested getting rid of the Dementors faced a severe political backlash and had to abandon the plan.

With that in mind, you can see why the political climate changed after the war. It wasn't that wizards suddenly grew a conscience about the treatment of prisoners. Or at least, it wasn't just that. It was also that the effectiveness of the prison had been shown false through four breakouts, and so the main political force behind keeping the Dementors there had disappeared.

But no, the method used for getting rid of the Dementors isn't stated. My own theory is that they simply drove them off the island with Patronuses. Separated from that feeding source, I see them slowly fading out of existence until just a few remained -- those few who managed to find alternative places of habitation that supported their natures.

 

Wasn't it stated in PoA that your soul is gone forever, lost, if you get the dementor's kiss?

So new dementors will appear anyway - but without sealing or locking the existing ones away you'd have more to deal with each year.

It's not a perfect solution, but I look at it like a radioactive waste: Yes, burying it somewhere (hopefully) safe is not going to make it disappear, but it's still better than having it lie around in the open.

Though if the ministry could have done away with the demnetors so easily as you describe, then that makes their unwillingness to do so earlier even more evil.

 

It was, but it's not clear what perspective this is from. From the perspective of the living, a soul that has "crossed over" is surely gone forever.