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Plot Bunny Threa(d/t) V

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Dark Minion, Mar 1, 2015.

  1. wox2d

    wox2d Squib

    Nov 20, 2018
    I hope this doesn't break any necro rules, I'm posting just a tad over a month from the last post.

    I've been thinking lately about a fic that explored two things that are perhaps under-served in the HP fanfic community: divination and a strong Harry-Ron friendship.

    Weasley bashing isn't as common nowadays, but Ron still often takes a secondary role (at least from what I've seen). Starfox5 has built an entire pantheon of fics revolving around the Super Best Friends Harry and Hermione. Where's my Super Best Friends Harry and Ron stories?

    A plot that's been bouncing around my head is thus: Hermione, as per canon, leaves Divination because she has better shit to do. Ron and Harry stay behind because hey, who wants to go do Mathemagic or Ancient Runes with Hermione? Plus, they figure Divination will be good for a laugh.

    Then the plot kicks in and they find out they're actually good at it. I want to set it up so that they have to play off each other as a team. So maybe you have Harry who's more talented at "short-form" divination, and Ron who's better at "long-form."

    I envision short-form as being similar to the fight sequences in Guy Ritchie's Sherlock movies. Sometimes, in very stressful or dangerous situations, Harry will be able to get small glimpses into the future, allowing him see different possibilities or different ways a fight could go, and chose the best option.

    Ron leans more toward "long-form" meaning he can see farther into the future, allowing for them to plan in advance. He can see, for instance, that Sirius is going to slash at his bed with a knife, and so they lay a trap for him. Then Sirius gets a chance to explain himself: Pettigrew betrayed Harry's parents, he's Ron's rat, let's catch him now, etc. Now you have Sirius exonerated.

    Ron could foresee Snape attempting to sabotage Lupin's potion, or Lupin forgetting to take the potion, and they prevent it, leading to Remus continuing his position as a competent DADA teacher.

    Now looking at it, short-form probably should be nerfed. It could easily spiral out of control, and I don't think it's something that could kick in every fight, and I don't want it to be over-powered. Also, Harry and Ron are each capable of doing the different types of divination, it's just they are more naturally suited for one or the other.

    I'd like to capture a sort of buddy-cop tone, where they become a real team because their skills compliment each other so well. Divination wouldn't allow them to steamroll all of canon's problems, but I do see it as a nice augment in the fight against Voldemort. And you'll have a subject other than Quidditch that they're both super passionate about.

    I also think there's a lot of potential in that buddy-cop Harry and Ron friendship, just two good friends who make a great team and work well with one another. That aspect would definitely be what I'd want to focus on most heavily.
  2. Halt

    Halt 1/3 of the Note Bros.

    May 27, 2010
    Not a mod, but it would only be a necro if this was out of topic. Since your post is in the spirit of the thread, it's all good.

    I like both ideas you've presented, although the question might be what roadblocks are you going to be putting in front of them? Do you want it to chug along canon's well-trodden path or veer into AU territory?
  3. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

    Apr 19, 2012
    I disagree. In fact, it is the long-form that should be nerfed, not the short-form.

    Short-form, the way I see it, only assists in duels and other current unimportant situations.

    Long-form on the other hand has world-changing ramifications and I honestly can't see how you'd think it's the one that doesn't need nerfing.
  4. BTT

    BTT Headmaster

    Aug 31, 2011
    Cyber City Oedo
    Right here. Courtesy of @vlad.

    It's also dead, because, y'know. @vlad.
  5. Quiddity

    Quiddity Unspeakable

    Apr 14, 2014
    New Zealand
    I second Andrela. There's a ton of ways to limit short-form, but long-form is more difficult.

    It's a tad cliched, but the visions could be misleading, with Sirius stabbing the bed for instance - but I'd prefer he wasn't able to explain. That can be dark, or humorous as he keeps trying to explain and their powers allow them to keep cutting him off. Regardless, there's a great tension in that which seems a shame to lose. For other examples, see Harry-imperiused bowing to Voldemort, a Snape "revealed allegiance", the other Triwizard contestants imperiused in the Third Task, and so on. When these are revealed could also be powerful, for instance if the possession storyline from OOTP plays out one can imagine other visions.

    Alternatively, they could be self-fulfilling of the Cassandric sort.

    The point is, you don't want predictive powers to solve the characters problems in the story. Try to think of ways in which they can exacerbate their problems or create new ones entirely by the way they react to it. It's a careful line to tread to not let that be forced, especially as you're aiming for a specific tone, where actively malicious ones would be inappropriate, but I think there's quite a few things you can draw on there.
  6. WierdFoodStuff

    WierdFoodStuff Squib

    May 24, 2018
    So .. that's So Raven but Harry Potter version?

    I think the best way to limit short-form is to make the predictive capabilities always accurate but Harry not always able to respond in time, some spells are just too fast.
    As for long-form just make Ron misinterpret some of the results, he is a little impulsive and so he draws some wrong conclusions due to anger.
  7. Blorcyn

    Blorcyn Auror DLP Supporter DLP Silver Supporter

    Oct 16, 2010
    Interestingly, JK says that in early drafts Trelawney wasn't the divination professor but rather there was a character who was actually very good at Divination. He would know the outcome of everything and for some reason not have done anything, and explain it all to the cast whenever she wanted. This dragged a lot of heft from the plot of a mystery, so he turned into Dumbledore, who knows a lot but not everything.

    If you were writing that, I think you'd have to play up the magical aspects, in a way that is similar to potions and dissimilar to Charms. As well as having it so that the incomplete knowledge of the future caused as many problems as it solved, of equal magnitude.

    If you had Harry being more like an auger, where his knowledge is coming from the way a bird soars through the sky, or a curtain pull taps against the post of his four-poster bed rather than making it like very easily comprehended knowledge then that'd be quite cool. They plan a trap for Sirius for example and Harry sees a sign that warns their trap will 'fail' if he lets Sirius speak - and then he assumes the complete wrong reason and attacks viciously or whatever, dodging the easy solution.
    Anyway, I've recently been thinking about a world without the statute of secrecy and a few other things too:

    Elevator pitch: Grindelwald's attempts to separate the magical world from the muggle for the greater good of both came to nothing when Albus Dumbledore stood against his movement. Lord Voldemort met his defeat at the hands of a child even as he sought wizardly self-rule and the centralisation of magical authority. At eleven, Harry Potter travels to London to study the magical arts, but competing master wizards and their schools are not kind to a neophyte sorcerer, and, worse still, word on the street is that children are going missing and you-know-whats are to blame...

    So the idea for this comes from Blood Crest, and the traditional idea that a wizard lives in his tower and takes on a student or two and is generally quite mysterious. There's no Hogwarts, and instead Professors start or inherit 'schools' that are essentially industrialised apprenticeships.

    Professors and Master wizards/witches generally want to get on with practicing and studying magic, but in a world with wizards muggles are constantly requesting magical services and remedies, that most well-educated wizards think are beneath them. There's an uneasy tolerance of magic amongst muggles and this precarious relationship is viable because of the services that magic provides. Various aspects of muggle life would be similar to our own, some would be much improved, and a number quite victorian/20s as a result of this. Generally a professor will have a dozen+ students in their 'college'. The students will make boil curing potions, floo powder, do augary and such, getting most of their teaching from older students, and studying proper magic when they can find the time.

    In this world, Harry would be accepted from the Dursley's to Dumbledore's establishment. Dumbledore would lead the premier college of the age, with a couple of masters (Snape and Mcgonagall) who work directly for him and are qualified enough to be professors in their own right. This is because he provides a slightly bigger establishment and has a lot more students than other Professors in London, taking in 7-10 students a year. Harry and most of the bigger characters from his year will obviously go here. The different world and the lack of houses means that interactions would be different even if their core personality should be similar enough (accounting for this altered world).

    The story itself would cover how he gets tangled up in mystery surrounding disappearing children, and who is killing them. Is it a frame to rile up muggles against magicals? Is it Voldemort trying to come back? Do we even think Voldemort was that bad in this new world? I think this slightly anachronistic London, with some grimey underground scenes and a hint of revolution behind every muggle workers gathering would be the main excitement in writing this story.


    Number two comes because I'm hyped for detective Pikachu, and pokemon indigo league is on netflix now.

    Elevator pitch: A Harry Potter Pokemon fusion. All magical creatures are now pokemon. There is no statute of secrecy and wizards with their magic form the upper tier of society. No muggle trainer can hope to compete with the repertoire and co-ordination of a wizard trained pokemon team. In Little Whinging, eleven year old Harry Potter begins his pokemon adventure when a famous Pokemon Professor arrives on his doorstep and tells him he has what it takes to be a Pokemon Master!

    So, in this, Hogwarts wouldn't be a school, but rather the seat of the league and the location where the Pokemon League holds its Poke-wizard tournament. The culture of magic would be such that wizards learn their magic from pokemon and vice versa. Muggles would possess pokemon, and train them, but like most of the normies you encounter as your travel around a pokemon game, they'd have one or two to their name and never be of particular note.

    Wizard trained Pokemon grow bigger, hit harder, and evolve stronger. Across the continent, people travel over many years to accumulate enough qualifications (by defeating pokemon masters or studying under them) to compete in the League and become a member or fellow of the main body of government in this world.

    Wizards would be able to teach pokemon their named moves via spell use, to a precision wild pokemon can't achieve. I'm not sure if wizards would have wands. They'd have the other aspects of magic definitely, as this would replace a lot of the futuristic tech that the Pokemon series uses like the pokedex and pokeballs. The Death Eaters would be a terrorist group a la team rocket, led by Voldemort or Malfoy. There would be seven badges instead of eight. I think that wizards would have certain affinities - explaining why you might assemble a team of certain type. A wizard whose patronus was a raichu would likely be able to train much stronger electric pokemon than if he tried to have a general team of various types.

    The plot would be the standard pokemon adventure, with a gradual legendary plot device that would relate Voldemort and Harry's close relationship to each other and to death and rebirth. I think Xerneas would be Harry's patronus and the Voldemort would have perverted some physical aspect of Yveltal in his attempt for eternal life, in a way that was fueled by the abduction of and experimentation on pokemon - necessitating team death eater.
    I think the first idea more easily constructs a reasonable and complete story arc. I think the pokemon idea sounds like more fun, but could be chaotic and easily abandoned.
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2018 at 8:32 PM