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Potter-Black Genealogy

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by phazer11, May 19, 2011.

  1. phazer11

    phazer11 Third Year

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    So... I've run into a few speedbumps with my fic. The major bump in my opinion as it's keeping me from storyboarding any further (past ~9000 words) as it's becoming a bothersome quagmire. That quagmire being Potter-Black family tree. Now my fic is AU but I'd prefer to keep the family trees mostly canon.

    The snag I'm hitting is James' parents. If it were Charlus and Dorea then wouldn't they be disowned for taking Sirius in after he ran away? I mean Alphard was disowned for giving Sirius gold when he ran away. I swear Sirius told Harry something about his running away in the fifth book but I can't seem to find it.

    So anyone have any idea who James Parents are? Sorry if this was already posted somewhere I didn't see one but I may not have used the right terms.

    And some of my plot points require me to know which family member belongs to whom and their relationship. I.E. Dorea is Andromeda's Great Aunt I believe. I have a chart of names and their relationships that I found somewhere (it's based on the assumption Charlus Potter is James' grandfather) if someone thinks that will help
     
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  2. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    You forgot to ask what you actually wanted to know, and otherwise answer your own question.

    Yes. And that's because Charlus and Dorea aren't Harry's grandparents, and in fact, probably not even directly related to him. All problems solved.


    Edit: Well, there you go. And no, we don't know any personal details, beyond their age when they had James (elderly) and death (of old age). So get creative.
    Source.
     
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  3. phazer11

    phazer11 Third Year

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    I figured as much... back to the drawing board... again.
    Anyone able to give me the info about which lines the Malfoys,Blacks,etc are descended from? The Potters are descended from the Peverels.

    Oh and any canon pureblood families besides the Malfoys, Lestranges, Rosiers, Flints, Bulstrodes, Selwyns,etc and preferably not Prewetts who could possibly marry a Potter
     
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    I don't think there's any canon information on Blacks and Malfoys being descended from any other line.
     
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    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    No need to sound so down, that's the best part of writing a story.

    As for the rest: There isn't any as far as I know, but you'll like this (Wizarding families, middle column). I don't know more than that. My personal theory was always that the Malfoys originated from the Normandy and thus were of Norman descend, but that doesn't really answer your question and is only what I use whenever I need Malfoy backstory anyway.
     
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    phazer11 Third Year

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    Thanks
    Ah thanks. I assume those 'wizarding families' are pureblood? The one I'm questioning are the Diggories...

    Edit... ok maybe the Dumbeldores too they were Pureblood but are Half-Blood now right?


    Nah I'm not down just frustrated it's just been a long week and a half read 'these finals are going to kill me' here. I've just abandoned two of my other fic ideas because this one sounded better and flowed more easily. Just a little as I said before bothersome that things don't line up... especially in the romance department... (it's a story or two away but it's a series gotta think ahead)
     
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  7. Tenages

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    There's a bunch. Sesc listed to the confirmed pure-blooded families. If you're just looking for known wizarding families there's more though. How pure their blood is is of course entirely up to you. You can conjecture from canon but that's about it.

    Off hand I can think of a few that would probably be pure bloods.

    Princes, Fudges, Umbridges, Slughorns, McLaggens, Thicknesses. The views and or connections and behaviors of these suggest a strong chance of being pureblooded.

    Just skim through the books or the Lexicon character list and you'll find lots of names. You can make up the family history and backstory for virtually any of them--it's half the fun.

    EDIT: You say you're questioning the Diggories? Why? There's no canon information either way. The blood status of many of the families in HP is never sketched out. If you're looking for a definitive list of "pure-blooded families" you're never going to find out. Pick some families you like or need, and write their backstory.

    EDIT2: As far as the Dumbledore's go, both of Albus's parents were magical. We don't know about their parents. If Albus is a half-blood, it's only in the way that Harry is, not the way that Snape is. But again, you'll have to make up your own mind on that. I feel like if Dumbledore was a half-blood though, snots like Malfoy would sneer about that rather than his muggle loving tendencies. So I would tend to see him as a pureblood.
     
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  8. Anarchy

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    Dorea Black and Charlus Potter are more likely to be Harry's Great Grandparents than Grandparents. Dorea would be 60 when Harry is born, making it perfectly plausible that the women have a child sometime between the ages of 18 and 21.

    And Dumbledore is halfblood the same way Harry is. Kendra was a muggleborn witch. I guess if Dumbledore had great great grandchildren, they could be considered pureblood by now (if they married purebloods).

    But, the definition of fanfiction is to give the writer artistic licence to write a world that is believable. If it works, it works.
     
  9. Sesc

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    ... no, they aren't Harry's Great Grandparents. Dorea isn't too old, she's too young.

    As I said.

    At best, you probably could make Charlus the son of James' father's brother. And don't ask me to figure that one out for Harry, I hate relations >_>


    Edit: All assuming that Rowling isn't talking shit and also failing maths, that goes without saying. But if you ask what we know, this is it.


    Edit2:
    >_>
    Yes. That thingy <_<
     
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    When or where was it stated that Kendra was muggleborn?
     
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    In other words (simpler ones) James's cousin? That's a fairly simple relationship Sesc :p

    As for the relationship to Harry, that would make Charlus Harry's first cousin once removed.
     
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    Rita's book mentioned it early on into the story.
     
  14. phazer11

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    Thanks for the info I'm working on making a Family Tree. I think I fixed the naming and relationships and now that that mess is over I'm going to read a fic to calm my nerves
    @~10k words
     
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