if the light saber can deflect spell, I'd say win for vader, cuz the force is alot harder to block

if the light saber can't deflect spells. win for voldemort

 

Vader would win, this whole lightsabre dildo thing wouldnt work, as Niffler Lord has said with the lightsabre being a weapon of pure energy. Plus, I can imagine Voldie shitting himself a lot more than Vader at the sight of Vader. Vader has a lot more speed than he's credited for, with him managing to beat Darth Maul in a comic, you would have to be quick to manage that

The force I would say is more powerfull than magic anyway. Vader (with enough preperation) could use beast control to influence the snakes as well if Voldie produced them.

Although, someone earlier said Vader could use force lightning, unfortunatly he can't, as this would bugger up his breathing apparatus, which is why he does not use that technique, but a suitable force crush or choke would end voldie

 

Hello? Apparation anybody? There's not a technique more powerful than the abilty to be out of harms way in less then a second. Need a good angle to shoot your Adava Kedavras from? Apparate behind Vader and blast him!

Of course this still means Voldy'll have to be quick enough to shoot a spell off before Vader can rush at him. Masters in the Force can be scary.

 

Have you seen how fast a laser fires? if vader can block them coming out of a gun, im sure he'll manage a spell, plus, he can sense with the force, voldie would get owned

 

If it was the pre-Mustafar Vader, then he would totally pwn Voldemort, no doubt about it, because at that point in time, Anakin was at his most powerful then, because he still had most of his limbs intact, and was able to use his own lungs without assistance. Post-Mustafar Vader, however, might win, but it would be much more of a struggle because he was encased in a walking iron lung, and only able to use a fraction of his acrobatic abilities.

 

Vader would die as ha survive because of technology, and we all know that technology and electricity stop working when it come in contact of a magical field.

Besides that, Vader wouldn't just attack Voldemort outright if it wouldn’t work because the force would warn him first. And I don’t think Vader would view Voldemort as a threat. Vader rule nearly the whole galaxy, Voldemort can’t even conquer a country. Vader would probably just send a star destroyer and blast the magical community from orbit.

 

Yes, and when Voldie became Second In command of a galactic Empire, he would be pretty unstoppable too.

And for the forcechoke: Apparition.

For the SuperJediSpeed: Apparition or a Shield. I don't see what Vader can do when faced with a shield. I seriously doubt one two inch wide ightsaber can block the fat ball of light that is the killing curse.

Forcethrow? Has anyone ever heard of magic and it's mystical magical properties? Like the fact you can do repel and summon people too?

The lightsaber hilt being too small to transfigure: You don't aim to transfigure. Both Dumbledore and Voldemort just wave their wands and it happens. That's it for the lightsaber.

There *are* other spells you know..., what would Vader do against the ground moving up around him anbd encasing his feet? What would he do against a dozen transfigured soldiers? An imperio curse, which has no visible thing to block?

What would he do against a legilemcy attack?

What would he against his saber being summoned and destroyed?

His dead stormtroopers returning to life?

What you all forget is that the unforgiveables are UNBLOCKABLE! If it could be blocked by energy, then someone wouuld have figured out a defense.

Vader deflected one, three, ten laser blasts is cool, but him deflecting a dozen different curses at once is unthinkable, especially when three of them are unblockable.

An explosion curse to his feet would blow him up as well. I can't see Vader knowing what that would do, and even with the force, he can't block everything as evidenced by the jedis being overtaken by laser cannons in Episode Three when the clones turn on them.

Plus, all the cool little powers you attritbute to a jedi were never confirmed in anything from canon. Forcechoke, yes, blocking stuff, yes, force throw, yes, small mindtricks agaisnt the weakminded, yes, lightning, yes, but not ZOMG SUPERJediSpeed! that Voldemort would die before blinking.

It's not like they're jedi duelling...Voldemort isn't going to come close quarters with him by a long shot. He'd stay a fair distance away and shoot spells at him, block his attempts to approach him with shields, and laugh as he bumps into the various wards/shields/transfigured stuff/regrowable vines/animated things/snakes.

How would Vader block a Sectumsempra? Besides dodging it, the lightsbaer can't block the whole thing, it's a long wave of energy shaped like an X (Is that confirmed, anyone?)

Magic is just so much versatile than the Force. Even Peter Pettigrew, weakest of all wizards made a reaper animate itself and close his arms around Harry. (GoF Movie - CANON)

And the Palpatine stuff coming back a million times in a cloned body was never confirmed in the movies or anythign official - they were the product of other authors writing under the Star Wars name. If we were going by them, then Voldemort could Freeze Time itself and stab Vader. (Fanfiction - Barb Book 2)

In short, Voldemort has powers that make him ZOMG to people that can animate things, make zombies, cast shields against energy attacks (Goodbye lightsaber), transfigure a pot into a lion, teleport, mindrape you, and read all your moves.

Vader killed peopel with a more powerful variation of a gun, and alot of peopel with cool energy swords that can chop people up. Some of them are even powerful enough and can jump a couple stories, run twice as fast as normal people (Not the speed of sound), and cast force versions of the notice-me-not-charm.

Magic Wins. Hands Down.

 

I don't think you can say force speed etc are non cannon, sure, they're not in the movies, but a lot of what isn't in the movies is still considered cannon in star wars, as the expanded universe is huge, one of the things that makes Star Wars so good. Personaly, i fell Tom is a bit exaggerated, his power in my opinion is more myth than fact. Without the D.E's, and his feared image, he'd be nothing. Whereas, Vader really is the big bad ass he's made out to be. Vader would fuck Tom up

 

I hightly doubt that Lord Vader can cross 15 meters and chop Voldemort's head off in a blink of an eye.

That is not cannon. Force Speed yes, they can run pretty fast, can move the lightsaber pretty fast, but they can't pull an Amazing Flash! and kill Voldemort before he puts up a shield.

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This is coming down to a HP fan vs. SW fan debate. Considering everyone who is supporting Vader is a SW fan to some degree, it isn't really logical anymore.

Actually I'm still suprised people aren't defending Voldemort - after the duel in Book 5, I'm pretty sure Vader would be transfigured into a lego figure with a wave of Voldemort's wand. It's not like Vader can block the transfiguration or anything.

 

Alright as a Harry Potter fan I'll come off the fence, and say Voldemort would wipe the floor with Vader and hand his transfigured remains to Luke in a doggy bag.

Magic has unlimited possibilities and Voldemort didn't become the most feared wizard in a century, to get beaten by a toady of Palpatine. Plus from the only movies I've seen Vader seems like the typical Gryffindor type, in that he fight's with honor.

Voldemort is a true Slytherin in that he thinks through every angle, before acting on his plans. The idea of him being a stupid trigger happy villain is something gained from Fanon.

To have spent decades hiding his true identity whilst he was gathering horcruxes, shows some cunning.

So as a Potter fan I'd have to put my money on Lord Voldemort.

Litha

 

I'm more of a HP fan but with out insight on how magic and the force interact you can't really tell how it will work if they where to duel.

The thing with Voldemort being able to transfigure Vader into a lego figure is the same thing as saying that Vader would be able to just crush Voldemorts skull with the force. If magic just go past anything Vader can do to stop it why would the force be affected by anything Voldemort tries.

And about Wormtail being able to animate the statue and take it as cannon, then Harrys eyes are blue and Voldemort looks like a bald Michael Jackson.

 

It would depend on how fast they react to each other as to what they do

Vader with the force he could just pull Tom's wand from him like that blaster from han solo's hand, plus vader had what you could say wandless as seen in ' Empire Strikes Back' moving all that shit around hitting Skywalker.

Tom with all his Magic one quick ak and he's finished,

so my guess would be a draw

 

If we are talking about one wanting the other dead then yes vader would win cause he would blow the planet up Voldemort was on. If however it was a duel as the question implied Voldemort would win hands down.

Banish/summon/transfigure/blow-up/block the bloody light saber and be done with it. It is a shit weapon and people only like it cause it is a SWORD and people have some weird thing with the whole knight/chivelry thing that swords carry with them.

Force speed is exagerated SO much it is not funny. They can move maybe twice as fast as other but Vader is half bloody robot while Voldy is in very good shape.

The unforgivables are UNBLOCKABLE end of story. The lightsaber which we have already got rid of can't block them. It is just energy and if energy can stop AK some wizard like Dumbledore would have bloody done it.

Yeah Vader can see a few sec's into the future during battle letting him dodge shit but how does he dodge the floor turning to quicksand or a dozen transfigured animals coming at him.

Vader is a half robot loser who runs the galaxy with a bunch of bloody big guns. Voldemort is taking over a county of hundreds of wizards and millions of people with only himself and a few followers.

 

Except for the simple fact that any spell that Voldemort has at his exposal can be dodged by someone with extremely fast reflexes, and I would assume that Vadar has just that. Yes, apparation could keep Voldemort alive, but I don't see either one of them killing the other. As soon as Vadar gets close to Voldemort, Voldemort will apparate, and as soon as Voldemort unleashed a spell, Vadar will move out of the way.

The fanon spells that have been made up over the years may have a chance against Vadar, but I really don't see these spells existing, when a seventh year learned from Harry simple spells such as Stupefy and Protego.

If I had to pick one, I'd go with Vadar simply for the fact that he has the force that works instantly, and in no way blockable by Voldemort.

If Vadar doesn't know of Voldemorts magic, then Voldemort could win because of the ignorance of Vadar when entering the battle. If Volemort does not know of Vadars use of the force, than Vadar can win for the same reason.

EDIT: and Vadar could always use the force to summon things into the way of spells, if need be.

 

Question for you all, can a lightsaber go through a magical barrier? Also, if Vader did a saber throw at the same time Voldemort cast Avada Kedavra, which would hit first?

 

a draw until everything is known about the force and magic, also how magic and the force react around each other.

 

I bet somewhere, Stained-Future is getting horribly excited by this thread. I wouldn't be surprised if it's inspired him to write another story.

Pointless is a good word here.

 

Voldy, all he'd have to do is turn some ground into quicksand or water, then freeze, and AK Vader. Im assuming that Vader can reflect with his saber, what do you do about a spell that changes a wide area? Also if Voldy conjured up a lot of statues to distract, an AK or Crucio would work.

 

Sorry, I'll just go create another Cliche thread.