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Questions about YOUR FANFIC that don't deserve their own thread...

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Ched, Aug 3, 2013.

  1. Anarchy

    Anarchy Half-Blood Prince DLP Supporter

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    I'm going to echo Ched. It actually looks like we had the same thought at practically the same time, though I don't check this thread that often. I've been working on bringing one of my fics out of hiatus. Had been there for a couple months now. Essentially put it off to the side to write the Daphne challenge, and that challenge fic took me like a months to plot out and write. So when it was over, I was struggling to get back into this fic I put over to the side, but it was at something like 40k words, and I didn't want to just give that up. Don't get me wrong, I've dumped fics that size (and longer) in a blink, but I wanted to try and salvage it.

    Getting back into it was rough though. I decided to edit the entire thing, and that was probably not the smartest idea. Turning something into a grind is not the way to go about trying to get back into and enjoying the story. After that, I decided to actually post the chapters (after doing another edit), hoping that some feedback would get the creative juices flowing. Decided to post on SB for an ego boost (it's a Worm fic). Turns out getting an ego boost from people who can't differentiate Harry Crow from Wastelands of Time doesn't do as much as I'd hoped.

    Eventually, I hit a wall again. I hit the point where I actually needed to write new words, and it was a struggle. The issue I was having was writing a fight scene from the POV of someone who can see the entirety of the battlefield but isn't skilled at hand-to-hand combat herself (Taylor). My normal writing processes is a very loose outline, where I note down every single idea that comes to mind and try and have a rough idea of a timeline for where those ideas would pop up, and then I sort of make the bridging scenes connecting those ideas on the fly. It wasn't working this time, because I had to keep track of too much going on at the same time, it was a bit overwhelming. So I ended up very precisely outlining what I wanted to happen. Like, if the fight was 2000 words, I spent 500 words outlining it. It helped me figure out what I wanted to do, but without spending too much time floundering around with the scope of it. It was almost like choreographing it. That being said, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's good, just that I managed to force myself through the wall.
     
  2. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    Topic: Dorea Black & the Potter relation.

    So we know the facts: Dorea and Charlus are not James parents, Euphemia and Fleamont Potter are. We also know, from the Black Family Tree, that Dorea and Charlus Potter existed, and that they had a son. And we finally know that after Halloween 1981, Harry was the last Potter. Given those facts, which history would you give Dorea, Charlus and their son?


    The most obvious is disregarding Euphemia and Fleamont, and making Dorea and Charlus James' parents. The BFT has Dorea dying in 1977, well before Halloween '81. If they were the last Potters and Charlus died too, this would fit the world and intended outcome (Harry is the sole living Potter, really a must for plot purposes). Drawbacks: It contradicts Rowling -- directly for the names, and also for the often-repeated fact that James' parents died of old age, and had him late in life --, and you'd also think Sirius would've mentioned Harry's grandmother is a Black. So it's kinda hard to work into Canon.

    The other alternative is keeping Euphemia and Fleamont, and giving Dorea and Charlus a different place. If Euphemia and Fleamont were old-ish, say, 60, they'd be born around 1900. If we go with the theory that wizards live longer, possibly even in 1880 or yet further back. Dorea was born in 1920; if Charlus was of similar age he could be a nephew (the son of Fleamont's brother), for instance.

    The advantages here are: It keeps the stated facts. It also accounts for Sirius not pointing out Dorea and Charlus in particular; they'd be some distant enough cousin to Harry that I already don't feel the need to work out the particulars. But there are clear drawbacks: When James and Lily died, Dorea and Charlus' son would at most be in his early 40s. So not only do you have to account for the early deaths of Dorea and Charlus, you also have to kill off their son and potentially his family. Essentially, there's an entire collateral line of Potters you have to remove. At some point, it stretches credulity.


    So given those alternatives, which would you pick? Why? What's the story with Dorea and Charlus? Are there any other options I missed?
     
  3. Niez

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    I could be wrong, but I think this is the only reference to Harry's grandparents in the whole seven books:

    “Where did you go?” asked Harry, staring at him.

    “Your dad’s place,” said Sirius. “Your grandparents were really good about it; they sort of adopted me as a second son. Yeah, I camped out at your dad’s during the school holidays, and then when I was seventeen I got a place of my own, my Uncle Alphard had left me a decent bit of gold — he’s been wiped off here too, that’s probably why — anyway, after that I looked after myself. I was always welcome at Mr. and Mrs.
    Potter’s for Sunday lunch, though.”

    J.K tells us about Harry's grandparents dying of old age in an interview from 2005, I think, and of Fleamont and Euphemia in Pottermore. So yes, I think the safest, and easiest way to resolve you problem is to simply ignore those later statements and go with Dorea and Charlus as James' parents, rather than concocting a whole new branch of the family that mysteriously dissapears before Harry is born.
     
  4. HPFicFan

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    @Sesc
    Of note here is that Charlus and Dorea do not exist outside of movie canon. Harry's grandparents were never mentioned by name in the books and it was with Pottermore that JKR expanded upon the Potters' family background.

    Abraham Potter, as mentioned in a Pottermore article, was one of the twelve original MACUSA Aurors. As far as Charlus and Dorea are concerned, I like to consider them as members of a branch family. My headcanon is that Potters were numerous in number but the two wars against Grindelwald and Voldemort snuffed out many members of the family until only the main and a single branch were left. Fits in nicely with James joining in the war effort right after school - Voldemort/his followers murdered his cousin, his wife and their son - which served as a wake up call in his final year.
     
  5. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    @HPFicFan: Well, the BFT is of the same quality as Pottermore -- extra material from Rowling. Just released before Pottermore existed, and not really used there, I guess. So Dorea and Charlus exist in the very same sense as Euphemia and Fleamont exist.

    Otherwise fair, I suppose -- the reason I dislike the "killed" solution is much the same as not liking Dorea and Charlus as Harry's grandparents: You'd assume, if he had had some relation that was killed in the way the Boneses or the Prewitts were, it'd have come up at one point in the books.


    Not sure what I want to do, other than using Dorea somehow -- otherwise, the easiest solution would be simply disregarding the BFT, and removing her (and Charlus) entirely. So still interested in more ideas and opinions, feel free to post.
     
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  7. Anarchy

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    Even pre-euphmeius and fleamont, I rarely saw Dorea and Charlus portrayed as James actual parents. It was probably a 45/45 split of being grandparents or grandaunt/uncle. I'm in agreement that giving birth to James late in life and dying from old age 15 years later doesn't make any sense at all, from either the muggle or wizarding sense of ages. Like, one out is considering the possibility of 100 year old witches giving birth, but that sort of thing has far-flung consequences that JKR likely wouldn't even have thought about. Honestly though, you can mix/match whatever extra source material you want, since so much of it gets retconned or just written without thought that it's hard to say one thing is 100% when other things simply can't be.
     
  8. Hαn Sαlsα

    Hαn Sαlsα Hαn Sαlsæd First

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    Currently writing (yet another) PJO fic involving WW2.

    My plan is to finish the (shitty) story before publishing it on WbA as the traditional 'post it as you go' really kills my muse.

    Would you say just writing it as it goes in WbA is better, or worse? Or is neither inherently superior? I kinda think they're the same but I'd just like to hear your guys' opinions.
     
  9. Halt

    Halt 1/3 of the Note Bros. Moderator

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    I think it's better to hear feedback as you write, but I'm the type that likes and needs that sort of back and forth engagement to know I'm on the right track. Ultimately though, whatever method helps you finish (and it's different for everyone) is a good one to stick to. Editing can come later
     
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    Hαn Sαlsα Hαn Sαlsæd First

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    (sorry if I'm being annoying)

    If I wanted to post an outline for my story, should I do it in the WbA thread?
     
  11. Halt

    Halt 1/3 of the Note Bros. Moderator

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    No. That sounds like something you'd put in a gdoc and throw a link up in discord writing
     
  12. Hαn Sαlsα

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    Hαn Sαlsα Hαn Sαlsæd First

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    Kind of off topic, but do you guys read your old stuff and realize it isn't as god-awful as you thought it was?
     
  14. Halt

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    Yes, but generally they end up being more god awful than I remember.
     
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    Soooo, uh... Any French speakers willing to translate a few lines of dialogue for me?
     
  16. Misticro

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    Sure I can do that.
     
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