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Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Quick Ben, Feb 1, 2012.

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  1. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

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    It makes this sourced as [DP] -- that is, "Daily Prophet", which was amongst the earliest Canon bits Rowling wrote, and are known to contradict stuff that came later (never mind the clearly tongue-in-cheek tone).

    As an aside, within the system I have been creating recently from the numbers we know, indeed the Misuse of Muggle Artefacts Office is severely underfunded (as we know it is); and those 700 Galleons are high, but not too high, provided Hit Wizards are an elite group. To compare: an average Department Head (i.e. one step below the Minister) would get paid 30,000 Galleons a year there (= 2,500 Galleons/month). The spread on the pay scale mirrors the one from Victorian England -- so far, I've made only positive experiences with that model.
     
  2. ScottPress

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    Well, they pretty much call Aurors "Dark wizard catchers" in canon, IIRC. I don't think that common, petty crime (muggings, etc) is too common in a society where people are capable of bending physics to defend themselves. There just aren't enough people to maintain a criminal underworld where you pretty much need everyone to have an honest job to keep everything running. Unless wizard criminals target muggles, but the Ministry wouldn't care about that (too much) as long as the Statue wasn't breached, I think.

    Other things you need police for, like transport accidents, fires, probably aren't super common either. I think that if crimes do get committed, they're likely of the sort that the coolblingbling Aurors can investigate without it shredding their rep ;)

    Also, I never liked Hit-Wizards being Ministry employees. Aurors seem plenty enough for me. If Aurors catch Dark wizards, then really how often would you need someone even better trained?

    In Silens' Renegade Cause Hit-Wizards are responsible for the more mundane "grunt work" while Aurors are the Spec Ops. My take on this is the same as jbern's: Hit-Wizards are independent freelancers.
     
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  3. MonkeyEpoxy

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    I think they'd care heavily about that. A bunch of dickweeds running around victimizing and stealing from muggles* would be a pretty big enemy of the statute of secrecy.

    * Hm, sounds like something those Death Eater guys would do
     
  4. Skeletaure

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    But... Hit-Wizards being Ministry employees is canon.
     
  5. ScottPress

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    So what? :colbert: Fawkes not being Dumbledore's Mental Imprint Canister* is also canon.

    *the Light Side's version of a horcrux
     
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    Hit-wizards being retained by the Ministry is canon, but that doesn't equate to them being trusted. They're mercenaries, hired for those extra-special jobs like 'O no! We have an escaped Nundu' that might really churn through the average (Pureblood) Ministry officer.

    Per canon, the DMLE includes the Auror Office, which implies that there are non-Auror law-enforcers who do the basic security stuff. Aurors to me seemed like U.S. Marshalls or FBI; charged to investigate crimes affecting the Ministry itself and for pursuing 'capital' criminals. The more common guys (I call them Law-enforcement Deputies or LEDs) are like police.
     
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    No need to rest on implication; we know that Arthur goes on raids.
     
  8. KGB

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    I never got the Impression that Hit Wizards are the better trained of the two. The only mentions of them are of them performing ordinary police roles. While Aurors on the other hand are the ones that were sent out to deal with real problems. Like the Giants and taking down all the remaining Voldemort supporters by any means possible.
     
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    Policing seems to be distributed between multiple departments, so you could say that the entire Ministry is the police force. The Aurors are SWAT, the Hit Wizards are the National Guard/violent crime cops and the civil servants pick up the slack for the non-violent crimes.
     
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    Yeah, the MoM has been stated to be a body created for the maintenance of the Statute* (can't believe I misspelled that :facepalm) at some point, hasn't it?
     
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    The Aurors are dark wizard hunters. I really wish people would stop trying to twist them into the cop role. They are not the wizard FBI or whatever other analogy you wish to force them into. They are dark wizard hunters. That should be enough.

    Also, I really dislike the term Law-enforcement Deputies. It sounds completely un British.

    Anyway, trying to view magical law enforcement by looking at just the aurors or hit wizards is doomed IMO. Magical law enforcement is much bigger than that. Magical law enforcement is handled by the Department of Magical Law Enforcement. The DMLE is one of the big seven departments which make up the ministry - a big top level body. It is also the most important of the departments. It is then split down into smaller bodies, normally called offices. These offices handle a particular facet of law enforcement. The Auror Office handled dark wizards. The Misuse of Muggle Artefacts Office handles the illegal bewitchment of muggle Artefacts. The Improper Use of Magic Office handled breaches of the Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Underage Sorcery. The Magical Law Enforcement Patrol/Magical Law Enforcement Squad with various petite matters. And so on.

    Taken as a whole, the Department of Magical Law Enforcement handles law enforcement for the wizarding world. Any part of it deals with only that: part. Oh, and the other six departments probably have a role in the broader law sphere too, but more in the regulatory sense than law enforcement IMO.
     
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    Most people can't even cast the shield charm, let alone use complicated magic to defend themselves against a criminal.
     
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    Yes, the Shield Charm is Super Difficult Magic for most because People Are Dumb, but I think we can assume the average Hogwarts alumnus knows the Body Bind Jinx.
     
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    Related to HP in the sense I'm asking about Harry Potter in another series..

    Do you think that Harry could succeed in the Kingkiller Chronicles book? Having a strong Alar is about willpower, something Harry seems to have.
     
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    I'll assume you mean, "If one were to bite into them."

    In which case, I'm going to have to say Voldemort is the obvious choice. His body, in the latter half of the series, was a magical construct; so, not only is it wholly magical, but there's no real law that says he even has a fully human internal anatomy.

    So, while Dumbledore is clearly the bigger twink(ie), Voldemort has more gooey magical nougat, i.e. the bigger magical core.

    Someone else can field how many licks it takes to get there. :puke:
     
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    Well, one aspect of it is willpower... but also important are mental discipline and self-control. Alar is your ability to exert control over your natural thought processes and override them with your will, forcing yourself to believe something that you don't actually believe.

    Harry's willpower was always more a case of stubbornness than concentration or a mastery of his own mind, thus why he had problems with occlumency and non-verbal magic. Unfortunately for Harry, alar seems to have more in common with occlumency than with resisting the imperius curse... like occlumency, it involves controlling your thoughts. Harry is singularly terrible at this, relying entirely on his intuition and feelings and letting them run free.

    So I would imagine that canon Harry would be terrible at sympathy. Maybe he'd do better with the non-systematic, mystical nature of Naming, which is much more down his alley.

    Of course, one wonders what the point is of putting Harry in the Kingkiller verse if you're not going to give him his HP magic.
     
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    I'm asking that question about 90% of HP/DF crossovers, yet nobody seems to answer it.
     
  18. Erotic Adventures of S

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    Its clickbait for narcissistic fanfiction authors.
     
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    In a school setting with a man who was explicitly not going to hurt him, and had given him ample time to prepare mentally by demonstrating on half the student body in class. I'd wager that that is a different situation than the way the Imperius normally gets used.
     
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    Harry also did it against Voldemort in the graveyard.
     
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