1. Hi there, Guest

    Only registered users can really experience what DLP has to offer. Many forums are only accessible if you have an account. Why don't you register?
    Dismiss Notice

Questions that don't deserve their own thread.

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Quick Ben, Feb 1, 2012.

Not open for further replies.
  1. Alive and Free

    Alive and Free Groundskeeper

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Location:
    Australia
    It tells me that Flitwick is just that good.
     
  2. Scrib

    Scrib The Chosen One

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    2,029
    I was having a roundabout philosophical discussion with my teacher today when something occurred to me.

    How do we know that Lily was the one who gave Harry protection? James was the one who ran out and tried to fight and defend Harry wandless. It seems to me that he was the one willing to die fighting for Harry, while Lily... well, I have no clue what she was trying to accomplish. Probably deny the obvious.

    Dumbledore said a whole bunch of shit but how do we know that he's telling the truth?

    To be honest this idea appeals to me only because of the possibility for an AU with Lily still alive but still, besides Dumbledore's ramblings on a Mother's love, I can't recall any real evidence that it was her, not James who did it.

    Was there any real proof in-story of Dumbledore's assertions?
     
  3. T3t

    T3t Purple Beast of DLP Prestige DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    173
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    High Score:
    3,164
    No, of course not. Harry's survival against Voldemort is a deus ex machina every time.

    Err, 2000th post. Fuck.
     
  4. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,145
    Location:
    Behind You
    Well, there was the blood protection working when he was at the Dursleys. As James isn't a blood relation of any of them it must have been Lily. James really died so that both Harry and Lily could get away, if he gave the protection then surely Lily would survive as well. I think that the main difference was that Voldemort offered Lily the chance to live but she still chose to try and defend Harry, even if it seemed like a futile gesture.
     
  5. Scrib

    Scrib The Chosen One

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2008
    Messages:
    2,029
    Ah yes, if I recall this was probably the reason given . I was just curious as to why the magic worked for Lily and not James.

    I guess it works thematically, because Voldemort destroyed himself. Although I really doubt he had planned to let her live anyway.
     
  6. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,145
    Location:
    Behind You
    It worked for Lily because James didn't have any convenient, potentially abusive relatives. Also a mother's love sounds better than a father's love. A father's love sounds like it comes from a creepy priest
     
  7. Glimmervoid

    Glimmervoid Groundskeeper

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2011
    Messages:
    324
    Location:
    UK
    There's actually a quote on this very topic.

    - Source

    There you go. Lily's worked because she had a chance to live but died anyway. It has to be a true sacrifice, with a chance to live which is then turned down.
     
  8. Andro

    Andro Master of Death DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2007
    Messages:
    3,948
    It was Voldemort's mercy in offering Lily to live that led to Harry's survival?

    That's kind of flimsy. I wish I hadn't read that.
     
  9. Portus

    Portus Heir

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    2,553
    Location:
    Music City
    How long have you been here? And what was the impression you were operating under as to the reason Harry survived, then?

    And I wouldn't call it 'mercy,' by any definition of the word. Snape still wanted to fuck her so Voldemort was going to grudgingly allow it, but then took the first opportunity to murder the nattering bitch anyway.

    His words, not mine.
     
  10. Alive and Free

    Alive and Free Groundskeeper

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2011
    Messages:
    337
    Location:
    Australia
    See, I've always believed that it was the prophecy that allowed Harry to survive.
     
  11. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2007
    Messages:
    5,482
    Location:
    Hbg., Germany
    Well that is probably the only the explanation which doesn't work, considering the point of the series is the realisation that the prophecy basically means nothing unless you think it does.


    Also, eh, I can live with the love-of-a-mother thing. The reason why you need to come up with something hair-splitting like the quote in the first place is because you need to explain why every mother loves her child, and quite a few probably died for it, but only Harry ever survived.

    If you simply ignore that inconsistency, you don't need that kind of details :p
     
  12. Rin

    Rin Oberstgruppenführer DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    1,325
    Location:
    日本福井県若狭町
    The prophecy didn't do anything other than state what would happen--in a vague and openly interpretable way. I. e., the prophecy was speaking of the future--a future--as if it were the past. If I spoke of eating spaghetti for dinner last night, speaking of it didn't cause me to eat the spaghetti, eating the spaghetti allowed me to speak of it. If some hypothetically genuine psychic two days ago predicted that I would eat spaghetti last night, that doesn't mean their prediction made me eat it.
     
  13. Countess Whitewing

    Countess Whitewing First Year

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2012
    Messages:
    29
    Location:
    West Coast U.S.
    Alright so I've got two questions and they're HBP related.

    1) Did Dumbledore ever get his position as Supreme Mugwump back?

    Since I can remember that he gets reinstated to Chief Warlock in one of those articles in chapter three, but I don't recall anything being said about the ICW Chairmanship.

    2) Are there any other Bones family members besides Edgar, Amelia and Susan?

    I can't seem to remember Susan mentioning any other family even in passing without names. But for some reason I seem to recall Susan crying in HBP and it not being about her Aunt Amelia.

    Admittedly most of HBP is glazed over in my mind, so I only really know the real important parts.

    Edit: Squib... Hmm, that's interesting.
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2012
  14. Bill Door

    Bill Door The Chosen One DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,145
    Location:
    Behind You
    1) Yes, he got all his positions, titles and whatnot back.

    2) They are never named in canon bit I think we can assume they exist. I'm not sure about Susan crying in HBP, wasn't that Hannah Abbot?
     
  15. Countess Whitewing

    Countess Whitewing First Year

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2012
    Messages:
    29
    Location:
    West Coast U.S.
    I don't know, probably was Hannah Abbott and I'm just not remembering correctly. Eh, I suppose it's the same with Dumbledore and his ICW position. That's what I get for only reading HBP once or twice.
     
  16. Sesc

    Sesc Slytherin at Heart Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2007
    Messages:
    5,482
    Location:
    Hbg., Germany
    Not HBP, the Lexicon. The Bones Family.

    That's Hannah. And Susan is crying after splinching herself during the Apparition lessons, maybe that is what you meant? Amelia is killed during the summer holidays, in any case.
     
  17. wordhammer

    wordhammer Supreme Mugwump DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,644
    Location:
    In the wood room, somewhere flat
    Susan was freaked out after the Azkaban breakout in Order of the Phoenix because her uncle Edgar's whole family had been killed by one of the escapees during the first war. While Susan's Aunt Amelia died before the start of school in HBP, it was Hannah's mother dying later that made a stir, as Hannah never returned to classes.

    Susan's parents are never mentioned but should be living. Fanon often mistakes her as orphaned and living with Amelia, but Fudge and the muggle Minister banter that Amelia was reported as an older woman who lived alone.
     
  18. Quick Ben

    Quick Ben In ur docs, stealin ur werds.

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2009
    Messages:
    978
    Location:
    Nairobi
    So is it like canon law that a spell has to travel in a straight line that the caster is pointing as, hence giving their opportunity to dodge it? I mean is it possible that say someone can somehow control the trajectory of their spell?
     
  19. T3t

    T3t Purple Beast of DLP Prestige DLP Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2011
    Messages:
    173
    Location:
    Los Angeles
    High Score:
    3,164
    There's nothing in canon indicating that's it's possible to change the trajectory of a spell, short of perhaps a shield charm (and we don't really know if it stops it entirely or deflects it). We don't even really know if they travel at such a speed that they can be dodged after they're cast.
     
  20. thejabber27

    thejabber27 DA Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2012
    Messages:
    169
    Did Rowling ever explain Quirrel's ability with commanding trolls?
     
Loading...
Not open for further replies.