This isn't too relevant just curiosity but what happened in dance mafia exactly?

 

no, yes, idk?
pienyan is probably the player I have read the least, but I lean that pienyan-/-Waco doesn't exactly scream w/w

 

Vaimes - I think you're right in that having a conversation about Pie right now when there's a decent chance you die at night is probably pointless given we agree on enough (Jarizok/Zenzao being mafia) for the time being anyway and I'm sure if I somehow die before you then you'll drop your read and reassess anyway. Plus it's a huge meta-conversation I'd rather not have right now for your sake, mine and Pies too but suffice it to say I think you're grossly underestimating her scum play. At the moment I'd just kind of lynch to see a scum flip from Zenzao -> Lynch Jarizok tomorrow and see a scum flip there too and then do some mass interaction analysis with those flips, I'll go more into Pie at that stage if I'm alive.

Don't ask.

 

Vaimes

Assuming scum!Zen:
I mean Cobalt and Jarizok are probably unaligned (,right?), so

Waco/Zen/(Jarizok/Cobalt)/Kai/???

and Fable, fontisian, Q are clear-ish with a Zen flip.
Acio, Vaimes, dC, Regfan also strongly town.
Fmpov if we're not done here, it's who I feel worst about in (Stanari, Miner, pienyan), and well, I feel lean!town on all of them.

 

This is a point I'm going to look into.

 

Some of his "sass" is off, I agree (I think the weirdest example was in response to you even), if you're looking at Cobalt can you give me your opinion on Cobalt-/-Jarizok.

 

Should we get both Zen AND Jari to claim and then see if that affects things at all? I still think we should do Jarizok today due to how utterly abysmal the whole "lynch pulled off him onto town by at least one known scum" thing is at this point. Like, I fail to see how tone reads on Zen can possibly top that.

 

clearing Fable, fontisian and Q is so shiny, though.
Also, tone is basically the thing that makes me lean most into direction town!Zenzao

 

Reasoning behind Zenzao is most certainly not toan imo, in fact it's arguably the opposite of toan so not quite sure how you're getting to that there DC. And sure they can claim but I don't really think any claim is going to stop me scum reading either of them nor do I really feel it a necessity to wait for them? I'd be super happy if I checked this in 20 minutes and a lynch was reached so would appreciate greatly if you moved to Zenzao. If you think Jarizok is mafia there's a lot behind Zenzao-Jarizok that's hugely indicative of them being partners, I've gone into this in my wall post today, recommend reading that.

And Blabs not incorrect in that a Scum!Zenzao almost certainly clears Fable/Q and to a slightly lesser extent Fonti which is a pretty huge boon for us at this stage of the game.

 

I guess the thing is that I'll usually take "more likely to be scum" over "more informative" when it comes to lynch time, and for my money Jarizok is more likely to be scum.

And yeah tone read wasn't quite the right word. I more meant like "stuff that isn't the thing I just mentioned about Jarizok"

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EBWOP: Reason for claims is they might be confirmable in some way. Like, sure if Zen or Jari claims doc whatever but if they claim, like, vestgiver or something then it's a bit more questionable.

 

Also forgot to mention but there's a pretty huge step missing inside Zenzao's play this game which is normally a trademark of how he plays as town, in that he'd read the through and have his initial reads, then do a reread of the thread and often come out with some very different reads re; things he noticed through a second time. He stated he'd do that here but instead just went directly into walling Fable/Jarizok, it's the type of step that town are very unlikely to miss doing but scum would naturally forget.

 

DOUBLE EBWOP: As for rushing the lynch through...I REALLY don't like doing that. It's a great way to make scum not have to visibly pick a wagon, which will come back to bite us if we're wrong about either of them.

 

Highly doubt we have more confirmable roles than "dayvig" "doublevoter" and "neighbor" in the setup.

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Shrug? I'm confident enough in both of them being scum. Willing to have pie shoved in my face if I'm wrong but I really don't think I am, reading through the thread Waco/Jarizok/Zenzao makes plenty of sense. Also don't think much is going to be achieved by "waiting 24 hours", will just be people twiddling their thumbs in here and it's not really "forcing scum to pick a wagon" since Zenzao almost always gets lynched here given it's 9 to lynch if we wait and most people have already stated a preference for that.

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Really could argue every other than Zenzao/Jarizok themselves have stated a preference between the two of them and those that don't really care which goes first have explained why?

 

Why do you think I'd go out of my way to fake this whole "oh I'm behind and overwhelmed" routine on a new site with a player list that doesn't know me at all instead of just playing a textbook scum game. Especially given 1. most people on this site generally are a lot more logical, which is why I wanted to play here in the first place, so it's likely some of them may not even be receptive to that approach at all, 2. emotion is the thing that I have more trouble faking as scum, not logic (you know this), 3. I'd have to make sure it's done in a way *you're* OK with, which isn't a risk I'd ever take since even though you can understand my logic you've demonstrated in past games you don't understand how I operate emotionally at all and 4. the people in this game had even demonstrated already that they *were* receptive to my logical posts as indicated by me being widely town read after I made my post about DC?

It isn't a matter of "can I fake this or not", it's a matter of what I actually *would* do as scum given the player list. You are essentially saying you think I'd have enough confidence to talk about being overwhelmed a whole bunch and gamble on people in this game accepting that instead of simply playing something I know how to do consistently, despite not having any good reason for it (and before you say "oh so you can bring this argument up now, that's WIFOM!", that's a shit argument and you know it).

 

ok look real talk Vaimes might have said he is going to be dead come N2 but he's a VT and I'm a doublevoter so I kind of doubt it :V

But I guess prolonging the day so I can have longer to try and process shit when everyone else has a handle on things is kind of selfish and pointless, so sure. I was gonna say "wait for Stanari and pie to vote" but I guess they're probably town or easily catchable (in Stanari's case) anyway. Lynch: Zenzao

 

Pie, I'm not going into it when I have stronger scum reads. We can discuss this later. Remember when spoke last and I said "If you're town, stop over-focusing on this and instead just look for finding and lynching scum", yeah, that, you're not doing that. Do that, please, voting Zenzao would be a decent start.

KaiDASH, Cobalt, Miner, Stanari - Need a few of you to vote there too.

 

Do me a favor and let me go out with my vote as the last. I've managed to survive quite a few games in a row, and I've managed to go out by modkill as my last spectacular death. I think being the closing vote on my own wagon would be the last 'trophy' of sorts to round out my mafia play at this point.

Lynch Vote Zenzao.

 

Fuck yeah (That good enough for you Stanari)?

 

This seems like it conflicts with your avatar a little :V

 

Well, I certainly hope that's a scumclaim.