Vote:KaiDASH

I know nobody other than jari is getting lynched today probably but I stick by my stance that I don't think it makes sense to bus in the spot Zen did though jari isn't doing himself any favors by playing the exact same way he did in WH8.

I'll get started on those ISOs now.

 

HOLY SHIT LOOK AT ALL THESE POSTS: Wait a second...

@MODS: In this game, are roleblocks declared to the roleblocked target, or is it just "if you attempt an action and fail you're told that"? Because I just realized the obvious person for them to have roleblocked is ME, if they would rather kill other more competent townfirms.

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JESUS CHRIST THIS THREAD MOVES TOO FAST: Or that, Vaimes, yeah. Forgot you did that :v

 

Scum wouldn't have had any reason to roleblock Acio, not sure why either of you are/were considering that; a doublevoter is not a huge threat to scum and roleblocking elsewhere is almost always more advantageous for them.

Pie, if you don't disagree with my town block of nine names with the exception of Cobalt then you shouldn't exactly be too worried about yourself being included in the pool since the game should be pretty straightforward. Us having walls about my read on you is something we've discussed in the past and you've outright agreed that it's not a good way for us to interact and that instead you should just ignore it and scumhunt; do that. If you've got a town read on Jari then you'll need to elaborate on it as well as your disagreements on the plethora of points I've put forward about him being mafia.

 

Pretty sure mafia can't block a double voter.

 

Interesting daystart.

 

My town case for Jari is that if what I suspect is true is true, Jari isn't scum with the person I suspect. I don't have anything concrete outside of that, even though there are a few of his posts that I look at and think "this honestly just seems to ring true too much to be coming from scum".

I need to think a bit more about it. I don't really want to be a distraction if I'm wrong.

 

Anyone interested in another look at Zen's thread shenanigans last night or is that old news at this point?

 

Go for it. He pretty much cleared Vaimes/Q completely although tbf they were already locktown and his interactions with you and your posts about him pretty much confirm you as town too. Nothing else he did really told me much.

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@pie - Read the points and interaction analysis I did at daystart about Jarizok, might help you 'mull it over'.

 

I thought overnight "if Reg is scum he'll kill one of {Vaimes, fonti}". That... didn't happen, and I need a bit to actually check the Zen/Jari interactions properly and sort through what Reg has wrote about it too.

@Refgan; What do you do *if* you're by some miracle we're in gamestate thou townblock *does* end up being wrong? This is a lot of why I'm irritated with you and why I'm trying to get you to see that you're misreading me even *if* there's a fair chance it is irrelevant - it simply is just ill-thought for you to be acting like this.

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Oh my god, typos.

 

If a person is roleblocked, they are informed if their action fails. Otherwise they are not informed.

@ALL: Ask questions in your QTs and not in the thread.

 

I'm not entirely sold on your townpool (specifically fonti and dC; oh how the tables have turned). It also feels kind of too easy, lol. I admit that I didn't really get a chance to go over D2 interactions though so I might be forgetting something influential here.

Also, that was a hell of a sentence, haha.

 

@Pie - If there's scum inside the townblock I'm pretty sure I'll notice it eventually; I've been doing re-reads of my town reads to reaffirm if they're correct and I've also been doing interaction analysis to see if there's anything that points towards them being mafia with the flipped scum, currently have little concerns with them. And as long as I'm getting scum flips I'm not going to be too worried, if I lynch someone that I think is mafia and they flip town I'll be stepping back and willing to talk it out more, most certainly. Right now though, I'm like 95% sure that Jarizok is mafia here and won't be moving my vote today; if he flips scum I'll do some interaction analysis with him and work out who in the scum pool I have I think is the best lynch tomorrow. If he flips town I'm all ears.

Stanari - I don't see any of Fontisians play here having scum motivation behind it; she was a large defender of both yourself and Q who she'd have viewed as mslynches if she was mafia and she most certainly wouldn't have gone out of her way to strongly pull you guys out of the scum pool; I don't see a path to victory for her as mafia at all nor do I have a problem with any of her current reads. I think her play re; Vaimes in the QT v the thread is something that just doesn't happen like that if she's mafia. I can understand the hesitation re; DC, I've found a lot of his posts in the last day phase and a half kind of weird tone wise but I don't think he strongly defends Zenzao via pushing Jarizok to be the lynch first minutes before Zenzao scum claims; I'd imagine there'd be a lot more collaboration about that outside of the thread.

 

Beats roleblocking a VT, which until Vaimes spoke up I thought was what they'd probably be doing otherwise.

...this is, like, a standard thing?

Alright, so it was probably just a whiff of some kind.

Also yeah sorry about that.

Kinda busy today programming a thing, I'll try and keep up with the thread but I probably won't do a reread.

 

Reading through miner now and I'm not really seeing that's pinging me as of yet and I actually like #364 in hindsight. There are dumb things like being fixed on people on fonti's wagon and specifically stanari but I think I wanna attribute that to "just miner things" and I don't think it's wolfy at all.

 

Lynch: Jarizok

By the by, I'm still not understanding the logic of hammering early yesterDay. I came into the thread at around like... 12AM expecting another 10 hours of day and then apparently Zen was hardlynched.

Like, Zen was lolcatting, he was spewing people clear and giving critical information the longer he was alive. There's absolutely no reason to hammer early unless Zen decided to just lurk out the day a la owner in WH8 or something.

Anyways, I still think Waco's flip makes Jari look really bad, and Zen's flip doesn't exactly help with that either.

Also, please stop with the mechanics talk. Trying to figure out mechanics in a closed setup is just awful.

 

The general form of this line of inquiry goes like this.

Did Zen legitimately believe that he couldn't escape the lynch and then claim in order to be gentlemanly? I find that hard to believe. Why didn't he stop lolcatting when it was pointed out that he was dropping associatives? Why didn't his teammates stop him from dropping associatives? If he wasn't lolcatting for, as it were, lols, then why was he lolcatting?

To be fair, most of these questions can be answered by "he was playing badly", but that never feels like a satisfactory solution. I wrote out most of the possibilities I could think of, but I'm curious for others' takes on it (I've been overthinking it for the last day or so and I'm stuck in a ditch of my own creation).

 

#ThingsMinerDoes

^Better than #ThingsFakerDoes??

 

Yeah now that I'm taking the time to actually sit down and read him I think I just wanna move miner into the villager pile. Doesn't seem much different than the last game I played with him.

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Time to spend a billion hours reading pien wallposts now. \o/

 

Stanari - I think him claiming there is likely due to it being S/S wagons and mafia being lynched regardless; probably thought that Jarizok had a better chance of turning it around then himself and thought it was inevitable that he was dying. Him posting inside the thread after scum claiming and interacting with players is likely him thinking he's not giving things away and thinking it's all "too hard for us to read into" when that's not really the case, pretty much just bad scum play. It's plausible his scum team either a) Weren't around to tell him to stop posting and/or b) That they don't really fancy their chances of winning anyway and was just letting him have some fun.

Miner - Ending the day phase early was something I wanted to do even before Zenzao scum claimed; we didn't need the extension here and we're in a good enough position / were pretty decided that just lynching getting the flip and working from there was the best path. Zenzao scum claiming and spewing people isn't how I really want to win this game, it's a dirty/ugly thing and I don't think we need it to win, having ~24 hours extra there with an outed scum in the thread isn't a fun way to play.

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Probably unpopular opinion but I'd not care if Jarizok was lynched in like ~12 hours here.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I think Vote Jarizok is probably the right choice.
Jarizok a) claim, and b) start defending. Now.